Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.
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I think we should fight and stop the people who are committing the atrocities, not write off an entire nation as Untermenschen, which is what seems to be happening. Or in some cases deny that the concept of Palestinian is even valid. They become non-people?
There are Palestinian children children and babies dying too, a direct result of what Hamas started. The children didn't vote for Hamas. Sadly, their peers probably will in future. Seems like one of the goals should be to reduce the likelihood of this happening, and demonizing a race probably won't do that.
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I think we should fight and stop the people who are committing the atrocities, not write off an entire nation as Untermenschen, which is what seems to be happening. Or in some cases deny that the concept of Palestinian is even valid. They become non-people?
There are Palestinian children children and babies dying too, a direct result of what Hamas started. The children didn't vote for Hamas. Sadly, their peers probably will in future. Seems like one of the goals should be to reduce the likelihood of this happening, and demonizing a race probably won't do that.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
demonizing a race probably won't do that.
The Palestinians are not a "race." They are an ethnic community. The leadership they have chosen has made its expressed vow to eliminate Israel, by any means, for as long as it takes.
That is the goal.
How do you deal with that?
<Going Godwin>
Many innocents were killed in Germany in WWII. More, in fact, than were killed in Britain or France. That was the result of the leadership that the people chose. Yet, the morality of the effort to totally eliminate Nazi-ism in WWII is not, at least in hindsight, questioned.
How does one reconcile these?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
demonizing a race probably won't do that.
The Palestinians are not a "race." They are an ethnic community. The leadership they have chosen has made its expressed vow to eliminate Israel, by any means, for as long as it takes.
That is the goal.
How do you deal with that?
<Going Godwin>
Many innocents were killed in Germany in WWII. More, in fact, than were killed in Britain or France. That was the result of the leadership that the people chose. Yet, the morality of the effort to totally eliminate Nazi-ism in WWII is not, at least in hindsight, questioned.
How does one reconcile these?
@George-K said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
Yet, the morality of the effort to totally eliminate Nazi-ism in WWII is not, at least in hindsight, questioned.
No, eliminating Nazism isn't questioned, and rightly so. But plenty of questions have been asked in hindsight about some of the methods employed. For example, do we defend what many Soviet soldiers did to civilian women and children as well as captured German troops during their invasion from the east? Because Stalin was little better than Hitler. The fact that he was on our side doesn't make what he did any better. Also, left to his own devices, the atrocities committed could well have continued far past the borders of Germany.
And no, I'm not comparing Israel to the Stalinist USSR or anybody else. I don't feel that comparisons to WW2 are generally a good idea.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
demonizing a race probably won't do that.
The Palestinians are not a "race." They are an ethnic community. The leadership they have chosen has made its expressed vow to eliminate Israel, by any means, for as long as it takes.
That is the goal.
How do you deal with that?
<Going Godwin>
Many innocents were killed in Germany in WWII. More, in fact, than were killed in Britain or France. That was the result of the leadership that the people chose. Yet, the morality of the effort to totally eliminate Nazi-ism in WWII is not, at least in hindsight, questioned.
How does one reconcile these?
@George-K said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
The Palestinians are not a "race." They are an ethnic community.
Isn't that a distinction without a difference?
Back when I was a student in the 80's, I shared a corridor with a couple of guys from Belfast. One of them told me at some length how bigoted The Republic of Ireland was as a country, before finishing with the statement 'Finny bastards!'. He was of the same race, but with a different ethnic background but probably didn't see it that way. Normally, quite an entertaining companion, he was also completely blind to his own bigotry.
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Gazans are not all inbred and developmentally disabled. An above average portion of them are. The ones who did the heavy lifting in inventing PVC rockets are probably very smart and capable.
@Horace said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
Gazans are not all inbred and developmentally disabled. An above average portion of them are. The ones who did the heavy lifting in inventing PVC rockets are probably very smart and capable.
The average IQ in Egypt is 76.
And the US took Wernher von Braun with open arms in 1945.
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@Horace said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
Gazans are not all inbred and developmentally disabled. An above average portion of them are. The ones who did the heavy lifting in inventing PVC rockets are probably very smart and capable.
The average IQ in Egypt is 76.
And the US took Wernher von Braun with open arms in 1945.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
The average IQ in Egypt is 76.
Off topic … this promoted me to lookup average IQ scores by country: https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php
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Ayn Rand - the woman Christian conservatives turn to when Jesus doesn't make any sense?
I was only joking
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Incubated, destructive, anti-social cultures given a warm hug by western saviors, do not have a promising history of righting their ships.
As good as it feels to offer the hugs, it's not a step in the right direction for anybody. I mean except the hugger, who gets to feel good about themselves.
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Ayn Rand - the woman Christian conservatives turn to when Jesus doesn't make any sense?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
Ayn Rand - the woman Christian conservatives turn to when Jesus doesn't make any sense?
I've never had Jesus not make sense.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
Ayn Rand - the woman Christian conservatives turn to when Jesus doesn't make any sense?
I've never had Jesus not make sense.
@Jolly said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
Ayn Rand - the woman Christian conservatives turn to when Jesus doesn't make any sense?
I've never had Jesus not make sense.
Ayn Rand sure as heck doesn't. Her philosophy is pretty much completely at odds with Christian ethics.
On the positive side, her books are unreadable
I was only joking
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Ayn Rand - the woman Christian conservatives turn to when Jesus doesn't make any sense?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
Ayn Rand - the woman Christian conservatives turn to when Jesus doesn't make any sense?
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@Jolly said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
Ayn Rand - the woman Christian conservatives turn to when Jesus doesn't make any sense?
I've never had Jesus not make sense.
Ayn Rand sure as heck doesn't. Her philosophy is pretty much completely at odds with Christian ethics.
On the positive side, her books are unreadable
@Doctor-Phibes said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
@Jolly said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
Ayn Rand - the woman Christian conservatives turn to when Jesus doesn't make any sense?
I've never had Jesus not make sense.
Ayn Rand sure as heck doesn't. Her philosophy is pretty much completely at odds with Christian ethics.
On the positive side, her books are unreadable
Thinkers with lots of philosophical monologues. That's the russian novel tradition.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
@Jolly said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Uh, dude. It's their border, not ours.:
Ayn Rand - the woman Christian conservatives turn to when Jesus doesn't make any sense?
I've never had Jesus not make sense.
Ayn Rand sure as heck doesn't. Her philosophy is pretty much completely at odds with Christian ethics.
On the positive side, her books are unreadable
Thinkers with lots of philosophical monologues. That's the russian novel tradition.
Thinkers with lots of philosophical monologues. That's the russian novel tradition.
My impression is that the Russian novel tradition was made of neurotics who obsess and moralize ad nauseum about the dismal nature of the human condition. Turgid stuff.
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If it’s a choice between Ayn Rand and P.G Wodehouse I’ll opt with the the gentleman every time
