Effects on the political landscape?
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@Mik said in Effects on the political landscape?:
I don’t know. Opinion is pretty squarely for Israel. I’d use their own words if I were running against them.
I don’t think this is as one-sided as you think.
Kind of insurrectioney, no?
@LuFins-Dad said in Effects on the political landscape?:
@Mik said in Effects on the political landscape?:
I don’t know. Opinion is pretty squarely for Israel. I’d use their own words if I were running against them.
I don’t think this is as one-sided as you think.
Kind of insurrectioney, no?
LOCK 'EM UP!!!!
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He'll be ok, if he just loosens his corset.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Effects on the political landscape?:
You're forgetting Trump - "The Jews love me. Because nobody knows as much about Israel as I do".
Abraham Accords. American Embassy in Jerusalem. Ended Isis.
Your swing...
@Jolly said in Effects on the political landscape?:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Effects on the political landscape?:
You're forgetting Trump - "The Jews love me. Because nobody knows as much about Israel as I do".
Abraham Accords. American Embassy in Jerusalem. Ended Isis.
Your swing...
There was a lot more to all of that than the magnificence of Donny “The Mouth” Trumpolino. And you know that very well.
One thing you did leave out was how he abandoned the USA’s Kurdish allies.
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Tell us first, what and how Trump himself accomplished in making any of those items on your list possible.
Seems to me his bagman, Kushner, Secretary of State Pompeo and VP Mike Pence expedited the Abraham Accords through their efforts at the Warsaw Conference. Trump himself was a passenger throughout the whole process.
Embassy move to Jerusalem was set in motion 1995 under Clinton although he along with Dubya Bush and Obama deferred the move throughout their Administrations. Once again it was the initiative of Kushner and Pompeo to make the move in 2018. They accomplished it by amalgamating the Embassy staff in Tel Aviv with the Consulate in Jerusalem in May 2018. The US Ambassador to Israel however by Trump’s presidential order postponing the move in June 2018, continues to reside in Tel Aviv. Kudos again to Pompeo, on selling it the American public as a move. Until the Ambassador takes residence in Jerusalem the actual move remains “deferred”.
End of ISIS? Credit goes to Mad Dog Mattis in spearheading the US military efforts to degrade ISIS to the point it lost control of regions of Iraq and a civil war torn Syria. Once again Trump was a passenger. Sure Trump was wheeled out to declare victory over ISIS in 2019 after Baghdadi was taken out, but ISIS continued. It moved out of the Iraq/Syrian theatre and into Africa.
And yes Jolly, Trump like the others cynically abandoned the Kurds around the same time or shortly after he declared his magnificent victory.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/yes-donald-trump-dumped-kurds-we-should-not-be-shocked
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Tell us first, what and how Trump himself accomplished in making any of those items on your list possible.
Seems to me his bagman, Kushner, Secretary of State Pompeo and VP Mike Pence expedited the Abraham Accords through their efforts at the Warsaw Conference. Trump himself was a passenger throughout the whole process.
Embassy move to Jerusalem was set in motion 1995 under Clinton although he along with Dubya Bush and Obama deferred the move throughout their Administrations. Once again it was the initiative of Kushner and Pompeo to make the move in 2018. They accomplished it by amalgamating the Embassy staff in Tel Aviv with the Consulate in Jerusalem in May 2018. The US Ambassador to Israel however by Trump’s presidential order postponing the move in June 2018, continues to reside in Tel Aviv. Kudos again to Pompeo, on selling it the American public as a move. Until the Ambassador takes residence in Jerusalem the actual move remains “deferred”.
End of ISIS? Credit goes to Mad Dog Mattis in spearheading the US military efforts to degrade ISIS to the point it lost control of regions of Iraq and a civil war torn Syria. Once again Trump was a passenger. Sure Trump was wheeled out to declare victory over ISIS in 2019 after Baghdadi was taken out, but ISIS continued. It moved out of the Iraq/Syrian theatre and into Africa.
And yes Jolly, Trump like the others cynically abandoned the Kurds around the same time or shortly after he declared his magnificent victory.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/yes-donald-trump-dumped-kurds-we-should-not-be-shocked
@Renauda not to disagree with your point about Trump being a "passenger," but one can make the case that most presidents are "passengers" when it comes to foreign, and even domestic, policy.
Recall that healthcare reform was never one of Obama's big things, until it became politically expedient to have his staff craft a wonderful plan that's cut costs and improved care over the last 12 years.
When it comes to defeating terrorists, or military victories, Bush was a passenger on the Petraeus train when it rolled through Iraq.
And, frankly, you can't tell me with a straight face that Biden isn't coasting. Hell, he even needs the good doctor to lead him off the stage.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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George is competing to take over Gutfeld’s spot.
The Brad
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Presidents take all the credit, and deny all the blame. It's what they do. It's expected.
It's a bit sad when people believe them.
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George is competing to take over Gutfeld’s spot.
@LuFins-Dad said in Effects on the political landscape?:
George is competing to take over Gutfeld’s spot.
Maybe Gutfeld/Buckley.
Gutfeld is a comedian, prone to sophomoric body fluid jokes, but if you listen, especially to his monologues, there's some acumen and hard policy in there.
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@Renauda not to disagree with your point about Trump being a "passenger," but one can make the case that most presidents are "passengers" when it comes to foreign, and even domestic, policy.
Recall that healthcare reform was never one of Obama's big things, until it became politically expedient to have his staff craft a wonderful plan that's cut costs and improved care over the last 12 years.
When it comes to defeating terrorists, or military victories, Bush was a passenger on the Petraeus train when it rolled through Iraq.
And, frankly, you can't tell me with a straight face that Biden isn't coasting. Hell, he even needs the good doctor to lead him off the stage.
….not to disagree with your point about Trump being a "passenger," but one can make the case that most presidents are "passengers" when it comes to foreign, and even domestic, policy.
That’s true and I was mindful of the fact when I wrote my post. I couldn’t think of the right description at the time of writing. Still can’t.
I am going on by what others - they need not be named - who tried to work directly with Trump have made public about his presidency. He does not come across as any sort of leader nor anyone capable of seeing the big picture. Certainly not an original thinker either. Trump comes across instead as more a hindrance to policy formation and implementation than an asset. Some might say a loose cannon or ticking time bomb.
So I would agree that describing him as a “passenger” is inaccurate. If he were a good passenger those who have written their memoirs about their time with him would have at least described him as such or credited him with the ambiguous compliment of being an active participant. Being the petulant adolescent he is, Trump however failed to make the grade in either description.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Effects on the political landscape?:
So will there be calls for Tlaib to be expelled? This was minutes before the protestors stormed the building…
How does President Biden feel about somebody in his party calling him a liar in regards to the hospital attack?
When she said it's wrong to bomb a hospital, I would've shouted "I totally agree! Have you told Hamas to stop?"
Also, I know the answer to this, and that I'm being a little obtuse... but why are Congressional Representatives (of an area of a US state) even weighing in on the fighting between two countries far away? Like, represent your voters while voting for USA legislation, stay in your lane.
