95%? True?
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But note...The article, biased as it may be, cites ONS stats...Deaths are in the three figure range, with a brief rise to four figures.
In terms of complete vaccination, that's a pretty leaky vaccine.
@Jolly said in 95%? True?:
But note...The article, biased as it may be, cites ONS stats...Deaths are in the three figure range, with a brief rise to four figures.
In terms of complete vaccination, that's a pretty leaky vaccine.
The Trump vaccine was a disappointment from a transmissibility point of view. It still greatly improves outcomes.
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@Jolly said in 95%? True?:
But note...The article, biased as it may be, cites ONS stats...Deaths are in the three figure range, with a brief rise to four figures.
In terms of complete vaccination, that's a pretty leaky vaccine.
The Trump vaccine was a disappointment from a transmissibility point of view. It still greatly improves outcomes.
@jon-nyc said in 95%? True?:
@Jolly said in 95%? True?:
But note...The article, biased as it may be, cites ONS stats...Deaths are in the three figure range, with a brief rise to four figures.
In terms of complete vaccination, that's a pretty leaky vaccine.
The Trump vaccine was a disappointment from a transmissibility point of view. It still greatly improves outcomes.
I think that's true in the beginning and for the second formulation. Except in the most high-risk groups (elderly and immunocompromised) are there numbers that show outcome improval for lower-risk groups getting subsequent formulations?
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The Trump vaccine is nowhere near as effective as the Trump/Biden Health Departments advertised, nor is it as bad as the antivax crowd states. They were of extreme importance for the elderly and those at risk but the effectiveness on middle aged and younger wanes. And I definitely believe that for very young children it was likely more dangerous than the disease.
The biggest problem was the inflated claims made by the Trump (and later Biden) health departments about the Trump vaccine wound up ruining trust and credibility both for the vaccines and in Public Health. When coupled with the attempts by both the Trump and Biden Administrations to infringe on our Civil Rights, it creates a very suspicious worldview for some of us.
The Brad
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And I definitely believe that for very young children it was likely more dangerous than the disease.
I haven’t seen any data to suggest that. The booster was probably net harmful for adolescent males. But not the first course, and not for small children.
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@Jolly said in 95%? True?:
But note...The article, biased as it may be, cites ONS stats...Deaths are in the three figure range, with a brief rise to four figures.
In terms of complete vaccination, that's a pretty leaky vaccine.
The Trump vaccine was a disappointment from a transmissibility point of view. It still greatly improves outcomes.
@jon-nyc said in 95%? True?:
@Jolly said in 95%? True?:
But note...The article, biased as it may be, cites ONS stats...Deaths are in the three figure range, with a brief rise to four figures.
In terms of complete vaccination, that's a pretty leaky vaccine.
The Trump vaccine was a disappointment from a transmissibility point of view. It still greatly improves outcomes.
I think that’s true for the elderly and those particularly at risk. I think for the rest it’s comparable to Natural Immunity. The problem wasn’t the Trump Vaccine so much as it was the attempt to paint it as the Holy Grail. I also believe that by going all in on the mRNA vaccines, other more promising but slower to develop options were abandoned.
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The Trump vaccine is nowhere near as effective as the Trump/Biden Health Departments advertised, nor is it as bad as the antivax crowd states. They were of extreme importance for the elderly and those at risk but the effectiveness on middle aged and younger wanes. And I definitely believe that for very young children it was likely more dangerous than the disease.
The biggest problem was the inflated claims made by the Trump (and later Biden) health departments about the Trump vaccine wound up ruining trust and credibility both for the vaccines and in Public Health. When coupled with the attempts by both the Trump and Biden Administrations to infringe on our Civil Rights, it creates a very suspicious worldview for some of us.
@LuFins-Dad said in 95%? True?:
The biggest problem was the inflated claims made by the Trump (and later Biden) health departments about the Trump vaccine wound up ruining trust and credibility both for the vaccines and in Public Health. When coupled with the attempts by both the Trump and Biden Administrations to infringe on our Civil Rights, it creates a very suspicious worldview for some of us.
Here's the problem...Non-medical people have to put their trust in the medical people during a pandemic. I don't blame Trump or Biden for that. I think Biden carried the mandates way too far, especially in light of newer statistics.
Who I really have an issue with is Fauci. I think the man did not give adequate disclosure, I think he fuzzied up some facts and in a few cases, flat lied.
Trust, once broken, is very hard to get back. I think the CDC's reputation is damaged for a decade. Maybe two.
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No crusade, but I really have my doubts about whether the current vaccine formulation is any better than ditch water. Maybe I'm not alone in that view. Unless something changes drastically, it appears - at least by vaccination rates and Pfizer's own public statements - that the vast majority of the American public has decided that the booster is not warranted.
The initial website does contain a link to a British government statistics site. Maybe the initial site is not reputable, but it certainly makes the point that in a very heavily vaccinated population, people are still dying.
Why?
No crusade, but I really have my doubts about whether the current vaccine formulation is any better than ditch water.
Then I recommend you do not get the booster.
Others like myself will probably get the booster- maybe this week in fact since the roll out starts today. Will get the flu vaccine at the same time.
Mid October last year when C19 entered this house courtesy of the resident teen, my symptoms ten days later were near to negligible and had passed entirely after four days. I had taken my third booster 1 October. So as far I’m concerned it worked its magic. The teen and his mother chose not to take the booster and experienced considerable unpleasantness for full week.
Haven’t paid attention to the leaky vaccine discussions. Beyond my competence to talk about it and frankly, not really interested in talking about it.
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I agree that whether intentional or not, people seemed to think that the Covid vaccine was going to prevent Covid. I never really thought that. I believed that it would minimize Covid, and I think it has done just that.
I recently got the booster and flu shot. Had Covid once, but was quite mild. Just two days of extreme tiredness. Never much of any other symptoms.
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I'm not getting the booster and I'm one of the guys doing the testing. I've already had my flu shot...That's attenuated stuff and probably at least a 50/50 shot at being effective.
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I agree that whether intentional or not, people seemed to think that the Covid vaccine was going to prevent Covid. I never really thought that. I believed that it would minimize Covid, and I think it has done just that.
I recently got the booster and flu shot. Had Covid once, but was quite mild. Just two days of extreme tiredness. Never much of any other symptoms.
@taiwan_girl said in 95%? True?:
I agree that whether intentional or not, people seemed to think that the Covid vaccine was going to prevent Covid. I never really thought that. I believed that it would minimize Covid, and I think it has done just that.
I recently got the booster and flu shot. Had Covid once, but was quite mild. Just two days of extreme tiredness. Never much of any other symptoms.
Mr. Biden told us the shot would prevent COVID.
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I'm not getting the booster and I'm one of the guys doing the testing. I've already had my flu shot...That's attenuated stuff and probably at least a 50/50 shot at being effective.
Good for you for saying no to another booster. My spouse says no and it’s up to the teen what he wants to do. Personally I don’t think he needs to take it.
And no one here at any level of government told us the vaccine would prevent C19. They said it would probably mitigate severe symptoms and avoid hospitalization so long as there were no pre-existing conditions compromising immunity. I have no issue with the messaging.
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Then your messaging was better than ours.
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Got my COVID-19 vaccine shot about two weeks before attending a conference where I had to interact with many people traveling from all around the world.
I look at it like an "update" more than a "booster," something more targeted to the latest popular strains, much like the annual flu vaccine. Heck, I also took the flu shot at the same visit I got the COVID-19 shot.
So far so good, no regret on taking either vaccine this year.
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Got my COVID-19 vaccine shot about two weeks before attending a conference where I had to interact with many people traveling from all around the world.
I look at it like an "update" more than a "booster," something more targeted to the latest popular strains, much like the annual flu vaccine. Heck, I also took the flu shot at the same visit I got the COVID-19 shot.
So far so good, no regret on taking either vaccine this year.
@Axtremus said in 95%? True?:
So far so good, no regret on taking either vaccine this year.
Same.
Sometimes, it is hard to prove a negative. If I do not get COVID or have asymptomatic COVID or a very mild case, then as an individual, it is hard for ME to say with absolute confidence that it was because of the vaccine. But, when a large population is included, then the numbers seem to prove this.
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@Axtremus said in 95%? True?:
So far so good, no regret on taking either vaccine this year.
Same.
Sometimes, it is hard to prove a negative. If I do not get COVID or have asymptomatic COVID or a very mild case, then as an individual, it is hard for ME to say with absolute confidence that it was because of the vaccine. But, when a large population is included, then the numbers seem to prove this.
@taiwan_girl said in 95%? True?:
@Axtremus said in 95%? True?:
So far so good, no regret on taking either vaccine this year.
Same.
Sometimes, it is hard to prove a negative. If I do not get COVID or have asymptomatic COVID or a very mild case, then as an individual, it is hard for ME to say with absolute confidence that it was because of the vaccine. But, when a large population is included, then the numbers seem to prove this.
But the large numbers also seem to show that the unvaccinated aren’t getting COVID or are getting very mild or asymptomatic cases as well.
The Brad
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@taiwan_girl said in 95%? True?:
@Axtremus said in 95%? True?:
So far so good, no regret on taking either vaccine this year.
Same.
Sometimes, it is hard to prove a negative. If I do not get COVID or have asymptomatic COVID or a very mild case, then as an individual, it is hard for ME to say with absolute confidence that it was because of the vaccine. But, when a large population is included, then the numbers seem to prove this.
But the large numbers also seem to show that the unvaccinated aren’t getting COVID or are getting very mild or asymptomatic cases as well.
@LuFins-Dad said in 95%? True?:
@taiwan_girl said in 95%? True?:
@Axtremus said in 95%? True?:
So far so good, no regret on taking either vaccine this year.
Same.
Sometimes, it is hard to prove a negative. If I do not get COVID or have asymptomatic COVID or a very mild case, then as an individual, it is hard for ME to say with absolute confidence that it was because of the vaccine. But, when a large population is included, then the numbers seem to prove this.
But the large numbers also seem to show that the unvaccinated aren’t getting COVID or are getting very mild or asymptomatic cases as well.
I was not aware of that. I thought it showed severe cases were less with vaccinated people.
