95%? True?
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@LuFins-Dad said in 95%? True?:
Those numbers by themselves are rather irrelevant.
True, but I Think it does point out small fact...In a heavily vaccinated population, COVID can and will continue to help kill people. The question becomes how many?
@Jolly said in 95%? True?:
@LuFins-Dad said in 95%? True?:
Those numbers by themselves are rather irrelevant.
True, but I Think it does point out small fact...In a heavily vaccinated population, COVID can and will continue to help kill people. The question becomes how many?
If 100% of the population is vaccinated then 100% of the COVID deaths will be among the vaccinated. In the UK, their number is 93%, so it’s not really that surprising. The question that still hasn’t been answered is wherther you are at significantly greater risk of death from being unvaccinated. The numbers would seem to indicate that is probably not the case.
The Brad
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@Jolly said in 95%? True?:
@LuFins-Dad said in 95%? True?:
Those numbers by themselves are rather irrelevant.
True, but I Think it does point out small fact...In a heavily vaccinated population, COVID can and will continue to help kill people. The question becomes how many?
If 100% of the population is vaccinated then 100% of the COVID deaths will be among the vaccinated. In the UK, their number is 93%, so it’s not really that surprising. The question that still hasn’t been answered is wherther you are at significantly greater risk of death from being unvaccinated. The numbers would seem to indicate that is probably not the case.
@LuFins-Dad said in 95%? True?:
@Jolly said in 95%? True?:
@LuFins-Dad said in 95%? True?:
Those numbers by themselves are rather irrelevant.
True, but I Think it does point out small fact...In a heavily vaccinated population, COVID can and will continue to help kill people. The question becomes how many?
If 100% of the population is vaccinated then 100% of the COVID deaths will be among the vaccinated. In the UK, their number is 93%, so it’s not really that surprising. The question that still hasn’t been answered is wherther you are at significantly greater risk of death from being unvaccinated. The numbers would seem to indicate that is probably not the case.
Seems that the British numbers also suggest that multiple vaccinations make little difference.
In other news, IIRC, 80% of Americans have not taken the last COVID vaccination
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@LuFins-Dad said in 95%? True?:
@Jolly said in 95%? True?:
@LuFins-Dad said in 95%? True?:
Those numbers by themselves are rather irrelevant.
True, but I Think it does point out small fact...In a heavily vaccinated population, COVID can and will continue to help kill people. The question becomes how many?
If 100% of the population is vaccinated then 100% of the COVID deaths will be among the vaccinated. In the UK, their number is 93%, so it’s not really that surprising. The question that still hasn’t been answered is wherther you are at significantly greater risk of death from being unvaccinated. The numbers would seem to indicate that is probably not the case.
Seems that the British numbers also suggest that multiple vaccinations make little difference.
In other news, IIRC, 80% of Americans have not taken the last COVID vaccination
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I read somewhere that Batboy was patient zero. It makes perfect sense if you think about it for long enough.
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Another shocking statistic. 100% of British people who died from Covid were British.
This is very concerning for British people like me. I may have to request diplomatic immunity to Covid.
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@Jolly said in 95%? True?:
You're safe.
This is America.
I haven't seen those two sentences put together very often in recent months. We've been dangling over the precipice of a black hole ever since Biden took office.
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@Jolly said in 95%? True?:
@LuFins-Dad said in 95%? True?:
Those numbers by themselves are rather irrelevant.
True, but I Think it does point out small fact...In a heavily vaccinated population, COVID can and will continue to help kill people. The question becomes how many?
If 100% of the population is vaccinated then 100% of the COVID deaths will be among the vaccinated. In the UK, their number is 93%, so it’s not really that surprising. The question that still hasn’t been answered is wherther you are at significantly greater risk of death from being unvaccinated. The numbers would seem to indicate that is probably not the case.
@LuFins-Dad said in 95%? True?:
If 100% of the population is vaccinated then 100% of the COVID deaths will be among the vaccinated.
@jon-nyc has been saying that for months.
If you have 10,000 vaccinated patients, and only one dies of covid, the "immunized mortality" is 100% in that population.
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But note...The article, biased as it may be, cites ONS stats...Deaths are in the three figure range, with a brief rise to four figures.
In terms of complete vaccination, that's a pretty leaky vaccine.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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How so is it a leaky vaccine?
In those cited ONS general stats how many died from C19 versus how many died with C19? What else was wrong with them? Underlying conditions? What age group or groups do the numbers represent? Am sure that retired and practicing medical professionals here could add other factors affecting those cited mortality stats.
In the the other hand, I must have missed the footnote in the article that addressed or referenced those factors.
Moreover, just what are you trying prove in what appears to be your ongoing personal crusade against the vaccine? Citing BS fake news sites does not help your cause.
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No crusade, but I really have my doubts about whether the current vaccine formulation is any better than ditch water. Maybe I'm not alone in that view. Unless something changes drastically, it appears - at least by vaccination rates and Pfizer's own public statements - that the vast majority of the American public has decided that the booster is not warranted.
The initial website does contain a link to a British government statistics site. Maybe the initial site is not reputable, but it certainly makes the point that in a very heavily vaccinated population, people are still dying.
Why?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Oh, according to counsel, the U.S. military mandated COVID vaccine is "dead".
https://news.yahoo.com/dod-settles-covid-vaccine-mandate-205819103.html
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But note...The article, biased as it may be, cites ONS stats...Deaths are in the three figure range, with a brief rise to four figures.
In terms of complete vaccination, that's a pretty leaky vaccine.
@Jolly said in 95%? True?:
But note...The article, biased as it may be, cites ONS stats...Deaths are in the three figure range, with a brief rise to four figures.
In terms of complete vaccination, that's a pretty leaky vaccine.
The Trump vaccine was a disappointment from a transmissibility point of view. It still greatly improves outcomes.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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@Jolly said in 95%? True?:
But note...The article, biased as it may be, cites ONS stats...Deaths are in the three figure range, with a brief rise to four figures.
In terms of complete vaccination, that's a pretty leaky vaccine.
The Trump vaccine was a disappointment from a transmissibility point of view. It still greatly improves outcomes.
@jon-nyc said in 95%? True?:
@Jolly said in 95%? True?:
But note...The article, biased as it may be, cites ONS stats...Deaths are in the three figure range, with a brief rise to four figures.
In terms of complete vaccination, that's a pretty leaky vaccine.
The Trump vaccine was a disappointment from a transmissibility point of view. It still greatly improves outcomes.
I think that's true in the beginning and for the second formulation. Except in the most high-risk groups (elderly and immunocompromised) are there numbers that show outcome improval for lower-risk groups getting subsequent formulations?
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The Trump vaccine is nowhere near as effective as the Trump/Biden Health Departments advertised, nor is it as bad as the antivax crowd states. They were of extreme importance for the elderly and those at risk but the effectiveness on middle aged and younger wanes. And I definitely believe that for very young children it was likely more dangerous than the disease.
The biggest problem was the inflated claims made by the Trump (and later Biden) health departments about the Trump vaccine wound up ruining trust and credibility both for the vaccines and in Public Health. When coupled with the attempts by both the Trump and Biden Administrations to infringe on our Civil Rights, it creates a very suspicious worldview for some of us.
The Brad
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And I definitely believe that for very young children it was likely more dangerous than the disease.
I haven’t seen any data to suggest that. The booster was probably net harmful for adolescent males. But not the first course, and not for small children.
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@Jolly said in 95%? True?:
But note...The article, biased as it may be, cites ONS stats...Deaths are in the three figure range, with a brief rise to four figures.
In terms of complete vaccination, that's a pretty leaky vaccine.
The Trump vaccine was a disappointment from a transmissibility point of view. It still greatly improves outcomes.
@jon-nyc said in 95%? True?:
@Jolly said in 95%? True?:
But note...The article, biased as it may be, cites ONS stats...Deaths are in the three figure range, with a brief rise to four figures.
In terms of complete vaccination, that's a pretty leaky vaccine.
The Trump vaccine was a disappointment from a transmissibility point of view. It still greatly improves outcomes.
I think that’s true for the elderly and those particularly at risk. I think for the rest it’s comparable to Natural Immunity. The problem wasn’t the Trump Vaccine so much as it was the attempt to paint it as the Holy Grail. I also believe that by going all in on the mRNA vaccines, other more promising but slower to develop options were abandoned.
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The Trump vaccine is nowhere near as effective as the Trump/Biden Health Departments advertised, nor is it as bad as the antivax crowd states. They were of extreme importance for the elderly and those at risk but the effectiveness on middle aged and younger wanes. And I definitely believe that for very young children it was likely more dangerous than the disease.
The biggest problem was the inflated claims made by the Trump (and later Biden) health departments about the Trump vaccine wound up ruining trust and credibility both for the vaccines and in Public Health. When coupled with the attempts by both the Trump and Biden Administrations to infringe on our Civil Rights, it creates a very suspicious worldview for some of us.
@LuFins-Dad said in 95%? True?:
The biggest problem was the inflated claims made by the Trump (and later Biden) health departments about the Trump vaccine wound up ruining trust and credibility both for the vaccines and in Public Health. When coupled with the attempts by both the Trump and Biden Administrations to infringe on our Civil Rights, it creates a very suspicious worldview for some of us.
Here's the problem...Non-medical people have to put their trust in the medical people during a pandemic. I don't blame Trump or Biden for that. I think Biden carried the mandates way too far, especially in light of newer statistics.
Who I really have an issue with is Fauci. I think the man did not give adequate disclosure, I think he fuzzied up some facts and in a few cases, flat lied.
Trust, once broken, is very hard to get back. I think the CDC's reputation is damaged for a decade. Maybe two.
