Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?
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Two taken out on stretchers. Few details.
https://nypost.com/2020/07/25/injuries-reported-after-armed-militias-clash-in-louisville/
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USA Today:
Police confirmed three members of the NFAC, a Black militia that stands for "Not F**king Around Coalition," were struck by gunfire when someone’s gun discharged while participating in a demonstration Saturday. All three victims went to a hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. There are no suspects at this time, police said.
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"Conservative militia"
Conservative is another term that is used in a non-traditional fashion over here. It immediately made me think of men in tweeds and green Wellington boots carrying very expensive shotguns, however I suspect that is not the case in Kentucky.
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I still don’t understand what anyone is really protesting.
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@89th said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
I still don’t understand what anyone is really protesting.
Justice for Breonna. They haz guns too. Can’t wait for the searing criticism from the media in the following days. Prolly breaking news. LOL
In this case two wrongs make a left?
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@89th said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
I still don’t understand what anyone is really protesting.
Justice for Breonna. They haz guns too. Can’t wait for the searing criticism from the media in the following days. Prolly breaking news. LOL
In this case two wrongs make a left?
@Loki said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
@89th said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
I still don’t understand what anyone is really protesting.
Justice for Breonna. They haz guns too. Can’t wait for the searing criticism from the media in the following days. Prolly breaking news. LOL
In this case two wrongs make a left?
Hasn’t justice for Breonna already been served in the proper form of an investigation and any associated charges? Or do average donkeys reading things online know better? No offense, TNCR.
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@89th said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
I still don’t understand what anyone is really protesting.
A lot of people think the cops that killed her need to be arrested. Personally I've never immersed myself in the details enough to know if I agree.
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Well, the idiot that runs FNAC said his guys were "highly trained".
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@89th said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
I still don’t understand what anyone is really protesting.
A lot of people think the cops that killed her need to be arrested. Personally I've never immersed myself in the details enough to know if I agree.
@jon-nyc said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
@89th said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
I still don’t understand what anyone is really protesting.
A lot of people think the cops that killed her need to be arrested. Personally I've never immersed myself in the details enough to know if I agree.
It’s not pretty. She died needlessly. Not sure who should get arrested but it’s likely the person who faked the rationale for the high risk no knock warrant.
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The bottom line, as far as I know, is the cops executed a warrant in the middle of the night, were allegedly shot at by Breonna’s boyfriend, and the police returned fire, resulting in Breonna being shot.
In other words, the cops didn’t do anything wrong.
Was it the fault of the no-knock warrant? Likely, but I can see why those can be needed.
Was it the fault of the person who gave that address as connected with crimes? Maybe, depending on how much of a deception it was.
But as mad as I would be if this happened to my family, i don’t see the cops in the wrong, nor do I envy that ridiculously risky job.
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The bottom line, as far as I know, is the cops executed a warrant in the middle of the night, were allegedly shot at by Breonna’s boyfriend, and the police returned fire, resulting in Breonna being shot.
In other words, the cops didn’t do anything wrong.
Was it the fault of the no-knock warrant? Likely, but I can see why those can be needed.
Was it the fault of the person who gave that address as connected with crimes? Maybe, depending on how much of a deception it was.
But as mad as I would be if this happened to my family, i don’t see the cops in the wrong, nor do I envy that ridiculously risky job.
@89th said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
In other words, the cops didn’t do anything wrong.
The individual cops who executed that warrant probably did not do anything wrong, and the police department can say with a straight face that those individual cops followed all established department procedures.
But the “no knock warrant” itself, or at least the application of it, was wrong — Breonna Taylor died needlessly. The police department that botched the Breonna Taylor incident recognized it and suspended “no knock warrant” as a practice. Many other towns/PDs have since made the same decision.
Nae, there is something wrong. If all the individual cops who executed the Breonna Taylor “no knock warrant” really “followed all established department procedures” and still Breonna Taylor died needlessly, there is something wrong with “established department procedures.” Keep in mind also that this is not the first or only “no knock warrant” gone bad, so that “something wrong” maybe systemic.
That needs to be thoroughly examined and fixed, for the sake of all people, including the cops themselves.
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No-knock warrants seem to be a bad idea in general.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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Nae, there is something wrong. If all the individual cops who executed the Breonna Taylor “no knock warrant” really got “followed all established department procedures” and still Breonna Taylor died needlessly, there is something wrong with “established department procedures.”
When an innocent person accidentally dies by cop, it doesn't necessarily follow that rules have to change.
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Nae, there is something wrong. If all the individual cops who executed the Breonna Taylor “no knock warrant” really got “followed all established department procedures” and still Breonna Taylor died needlessly, there is something wrong with “established department procedures.”
When an innocent person accidentally dies by cop, it doesn't necessarily follow that rules have to change.
@Horace said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
When an innocent person accidentally dies by cop, it doesn't necessarily follow that rules have to change.
- Was it really an “accident”? How do you know that is was really just an “accident”?
- Was it only one innocent person died by cop? What if it was 10, 100, 1000, or more innocent people died by cop?
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@jon-nyc said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
No-knock warrants seem to be a bad idea in general.
Agreed, but in specifics, I can see why they could be needed...specifically in regards to the destruction of evidence upon door knock.
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@Axtremus said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
@Horace said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
When an innocent person accidentally dies by cop, it doesn't necessarily follow that rules have to change.
- Was it really an “accident”? How do you know that is was really just an “accident”?
- Was it only one innocent person died by cop? What if it was 10, 100, 1000, or more innocent people died by cop?
Right, it's that sort of vacuous thinking that helps people decide to defund the police. My point remains that given the stipulations in my post, your conclusion does not necessarily follow. But if it wasn't an accident and they intentionally killed her, then down with that sort of thing.
Education is extremely important.
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@jon-nyc said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
No-knock warrants seem to be a bad idea in general.
I don't like them and they should be like Bill Clinton described abortion, because there are some cases with some very dangerous people, where you need to execute a no-knock.
My wife's cousin runs a U.S. Marshals fugitive squad. They prefer to isolate someone and take them down with a minimum of problems...A stairwell is a nice place to grab someone, for example. But sometimes, you have no choice. You go through a locked door. And if you see an armed person on the other side, you take care of the threat.
There are some people you simply cannot knock on the door and announce yourself.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Axtremus said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
@Horace said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
When an innocent person accidentally dies by cop, it doesn't necessarily follow that rules have to change.
- Was it really an “accident”? How do you know that is was really just an “accident”?
- Was it only one innocent person died by cop? What if it was 10, 100, 1000, or more innocent people died by cop?
Right, it's that sort of vacuous thinking that helps people decide to defund the police. My point remains that given the stipulations in my post, your conclusion does not necessarily follow. But if it wasn't an accident and they intentionally killed her, then down with that sort of thing.
@Horace said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
@Axtremus said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
@Horace said in Left and right wing militias facing off in Louisville today?:
When an innocent person accidentally dies by cop, it doesn't necessarily follow that rules have to change.
- Was it really an “accident”? How do you know that is was really just an “accident”?
- Was it only one innocent person died by cop? What if it was 10, 100, 1000, or more innocent people died by cop?
Right, it's that sort of vacuous thinking that helps people decide to defund the police. My point remains that given the stipulations in my post, your conclusion does not necessarily follow. But if it wasn't an accident and they intentionally killed her, then down with that sort of thing.
Agreed.
I’d add to that I give an enormous presumption here that cops aren’t killing black people based on the color of their skin. I’d wager I’m right in 99.9999999999% of the time.
I’d also add that this what if what if what if perspective is what helps fuel a “arrest breonna’s killers!” narrative where by even Ax’s admission, the cops didn’t do anything wrong.
