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wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 01:37 last edited by
France surrenders [again]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67356581
A Vichy like regime will soon follow.
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@George-K said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
This one is a little sketchy, IMO. I don’t like an employee wearing a very controversial symbol or emblem, and imagine that is likely against the rules. Still, pulling out the phone and publicly putting on that kind of display? Dick move. Here’s an idea… If you are that offended by it, quietly approach the manager and tell them or try to engage in a calm and quiet conversation about it with the employee. You might actually have a small opportunity to educate someone or influence their opinion rather than win social media cred…
wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 04:23 last edited byI agree with your general sentiment. I think Apple should (and perhaps does?) have rules against putting any kind of political messaging on employee uniforms.
But a Palestinian flag doesn’t necessarily mean ‘I support Hamas and their actions’.
One can confidently hold two thoughts in their head at once: (1) The Palestinian people are treated unjustly and that needs to change somehow and (2) Hamas is a terrorist organization with genocidal aspirations and needs to be physically destroyed.
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I agree with your general sentiment. I think Apple should (and perhaps does?) have rules against putting any kind of political messaging on employee uniforms.
But a Palestinian flag doesn’t necessarily mean ‘I support Hamas and their actions’.
One can confidently hold two thoughts in their head at once: (1) The Palestinian people are treated unjustly and that needs to change somehow and (2) Hamas is a terrorist organization with genocidal aspirations and needs to be physically destroyed.
wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 05:44 last edited by@jon-nyc said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
One can confidently hold two thoughts in their head at once: (1) The Palestinian people are treated unjustly and that needs to change somehow and (2) Hamas is a terrorist organization with genocidal aspirations and needs to be physically destroyed.
To what extent do you think Palestinians are responsible for Hamas?
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wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 09:15 last edited by jon-nyc 11 Nov 2023, 10:59
To the same extent the Israelis are responsible for Bibi and his policies in the West Bank.
Actually to a much lesser extent. Hamas has long been unpopular in Gaza but the current generation never got a vote.
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wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 10:59 last edited by jon-nyc 11 Nov 2023, 11:01
Interestingly Hamas is more popular than Fatah in the West Bank and Fatah more popular than Hamas in Gaza. At least on 10/6. Not sure what the effects of recent events have been. I’m almost afraid to look into it. It would probably be disappointing.
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To the same extent the Israelis are responsible for Bibi and his policies in the West Bank.
Actually to a much lesser extent. Hamas has long been unpopular in Gaza but the current generation never got a vote.
wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 11:15 last edited by Aqua Letifer 11 Nov 2023, 11:16@jon-nyc said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
Hamas has long been unpopular in Gaza
Overall, 57% of Gazans express at least a somewhat positive opinion of Hamas—along with similar percentages of Palestinians in the West Bank (52%) and East Jerusalem (64%)
...half (50%) agreed with the following proposal: “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders.”
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wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 11:47 last edited by
From your link, the longstanding result I reference.
In fact, Gazan frustration with Hamas governance is clear; most Gazans expressed a preference for PA administration and security officials over Hamas—the majority of Gazans (70%) supported a proposal of the PA sending “officials and security officers to Gaza to take over the administration there, with Hamas giving up separate armed units,” including 47% who strongly agreed. Nor is this a new view—this proposal has had majority support in Gaza since first polled by The Washington Institute in 2014.
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From your link, the longstanding result I reference.
In fact, Gazan frustration with Hamas governance is clear; most Gazans expressed a preference for PA administration and security officials over Hamas—the majority of Gazans (70%) supported a proposal of the PA sending “officials and security officers to Gaza to take over the administration there, with Hamas giving up separate armed units,” including 47% who strongly agreed. Nor is this a new view—this proposal has had majority support in Gaza since first polled by The Washington Institute in 2014.
wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 11:55 last edited by@jon-nyc said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
From your link, the longstanding result I reference.
In fact, Gazan frustration with Hamas governance is clear; most Gazans expressed a preference for PA administration and security officials over Hamas—the majority of Gazans (70%) supported a proposal of the PA sending “officials and security officers to Gaza to take over the administration there, with Hamas giving up separate armed units,” including 47% who strongly agreed. Nor is this a new view—this proposal has had majority support in Gaza since first polled by The Washington Institute in 2014.
Yes, I saw that, too, but it doesn't negate what I first posted from there. It seems Murray's point about partial responsibility still stands since Hamas enjoys at least partial support.
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wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 11:59 last edited by
Sure. And of course the Israelis are quite a bit more responsible for the actions of Israel in the West Bank.
What are we to infer from those two facts? Is there a point you wish to make?
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Sure. And of course the Israelis are quite a bit more responsible for the actions of Israel in the West Bank.
What are we to infer from those two facts? Is there a point you wish to make?
wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 13:07 last edited by@jon-nyc said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
Sure. And of course the Israelis are quite a bit more responsible for the actions of Israel in the West Bank.
What are we to infer from those two facts? Is there a point you wish to make?
Just that I don't think it makes any rational sense to look at the events of the past month and conclude the real crime is what's happening to the Palestinians. As such, it's weird to fixate on that argument.
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wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 13:10 last edited by
It’s true in a sense but Hamas is the perp there too. Virtually every Gazan casualty is a victim of one or two war crimes by Hamas. (1) The use of human shields and (2) not being allowed to flee.
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It’s true in a sense but Hamas is the perp there too. Virtually every Gazan casualty is a victim of one or two war crimes by Hamas. (1) The use of human shields and (2) not being allowed to flee.
wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 13:13 last edited by@jon-nyc said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
It’s true in a sense but Hamas is the perp there too. Virtually every Gazan casualty is a victim of one or two war crimes by Hamas. (1) The use of human shields and (2) not being allowed to flee.
Right, agreed. But within the context of consequences for Palestinians, how far off the mark is Israel between what they should do and what they are currently doing? You read the news or talk to any sufficiently sheltered liberal today and they'd tell you they're the Nazis.
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wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 13:19 last edited by
I think they’re doing more or less what they need to.
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wrote on 14 Nov 2023, 12:57 last edited by
@LuFins-Dad Word.
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wrote on 14 Nov 2023, 13:38 last edited by
Hahaha it's like he's channeling the precise inner dialogue I often have when watching a news story. "It's fashionable" is a perfect way to put it. If most of the left (libs, women, gays) went to Gaza this would be their reaction about 10 minutes in:
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wrote on 14 Nov 2023, 13:46 last edited by
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@LuFins-Dad Word.
wrote on 14 Nov 2023, 13:50 last edited by George K@Mik said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
@LuFins-Dad Word.
Iowahawk comments:
"The man in the video is absolutely right. This is fashion meets fascism, tailor made for dipshits utterly lobotomized by Tik Tok and $70k/year colleges, cosplay "revolutionaries" eager to strut the catwalk their Hamas swag and mindlessly chant for a Jewish Holocaust reboot.
I'm surprised that Hugo Boss hasn't released a new line of chic $100 keffiyehs to capitalize on this new craze."
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@Mik said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
@LuFins-Dad Word.
Iowahawk comments:
"The man in the video is absolutely right. This is fashion meets fascism, tailor made for dipshits utterly lobotomized by Tik Tok and $70k/year colleges, cosplay "revolutionaries" eager to strut the catwalk their Hamas swag and mindlessly chant for a Jewish Holocaust reboot.
I'm surprised that Hugo Boss hasn't released a new line of chic $100 keffiyehs to capitalize on this new craze."
wrote on 14 Nov 2023, 15:32 last edited by@George-K said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
@Mik said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
@LuFins-Dad Word.
Iowahawk comments:
"The man in the video is absolutely right. This is fashion meets fascism, tailor made for dipshits utterly lobotomized by Tik Tok and $70k/year colleges, cosplay "revolutionaries" eager to strut the catwalk their Hamas swag and mindlessly chant for a Jewish Holocaust reboot.
I'm surprised that Hugo Boss hasn't released a new line of chic $100 keffiyehs to capitalize on this new craze."
How about Louis Vuitton? https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210604-louis-vuitton-fendi-slammed-for-exploiting-traditional-palestinian-keffiyeh/
