More strange and/or foul reactions

[LuFins Dad]

I am just flabbergasted that there is any meaningful division in this….

Democratic Nation whose leadership must ultimately be responsive to the people it governs… Israel Yes, Palestine No.

Freedom of Press… Israel Yes, Palestine No

Civil Rights… do we even need to discuss this? Hamas still requires women to wear hijabs and be circumcised. They only just repealed their “Marry Your Rapist Law” and young girls are sold as brides. In the meantime, Israel has equal rights for all including their Palestinian Citizens. People ignore the fact that almost 20% of Israel’s population are Palestinian/Arab. There are Palestinian Knesset members serving in their government…

Hamas is being supported by Iran, Russia, North Korea… All bastions of freedom, liberty, and equality…. Not…

How are people being this idiotic?

[xenon]

Israel is a powerful, “colonizing”, white-adjacent country.

That’s a lot of progressive strikes against it.

[xenon]

All that said - it is beyond sad that civilians are dying. I don’t have a better solution to deal with Hamas - it does suck though.

I know people didn’t give much of a shit when it was brown on brown in other ME conflicts… still..

[George K]

@xenon said in More strange and/or foul reactions:

Israel is a powerful, “colonizing”, white-adjacent country.

One can make the argument, as @jon-nyc did, that Israel is "occupying" the West Bank.

OTOH, from what I understand there are 2,000,000 Arabs living in Israel. There are no Jews living in Gaza. THat's not a colony.

[Mik]

They still don't. The Yemenis can kill each other till the cows come home. So it is in Africa as well.

It's all the same tragedy that I hope will become even more of an anachronism.

[LuFins Dad]

@xenon said in More strange and/or foul reactions:

All that said - it is beyond sad that civilians are dying. I don’t have a better solution to deal with Hamas - it does suck though.

I know people didn’t give much of a shit when it was brown on brown in other ME conflicts… still..

So whose fault is it that Civilians are dying? Who blocked roads preventing Palestinians from fleeing Gaza city? Who put the bunkers and missile batteries in hospitals and children’s playgrounds? And thousands of the missiles that have landed amongst innocent Palestinians were launched by Hamas.

[Horace]

Every Israeli citizen killed is a win for Hamas, and every Gaza civilian killed is a win for Hamas.

[xenon]

@LuFins-Dad said in More strange and/or foul reactions:

@xenon said in More strange and/or foul reactions:

All that said - it is beyond sad that civilians are dying. I don’t have a better solution to deal with Hamas - it does suck though.

I know people didn’t give much of a shit when it was brown on brown in other ME conflicts… still..

So whose fault is it that Civilians are dying? Who blocked roads preventing Palestinians from fleeing Gaza city? Who put the bunkers and missile batteries in hospitals and children’s playgrounds? And thousands of the missiles that have landed amongst innocent Palestinians were launched by Hamas.

We’re in agreement on the facts and responsibility - doesn’t make the results any less tragic when the human shields die.

[89th]

@LuFins-Dad said in More strange and/or foul reactions:

I am just flabbergasted that there is any meaningful division in this….

Democratic Nation whose leadership must ultimately be responsive to the people it governs… Israel Yes, Palestine No.

Freedom of Press… Israel Yes, Palestine No

Civil Rights… do we even need to discuss this? Hamas still requires women to wear hijabs and be circumcised. They only just repealed their “Marry Your Rapist Law” and young girls are sold as brides. In the meantime, Israel has equal rights for all including their Palestinian Citizens. People ignore the fact that almost 20% of Israel’s population are Palestinian/Arab. There are Palestinian Knesset members serving in their government…

Hamas is being supported by Iran, Russia, North Korea… All bastions of freedom, liberty, and equality…. Not…

How are people being this idiotic?

Let's not forget that Jews are mostly democrats, too.

[LuFins Dad]

@89th said in More strange and/or foul reactions:

@LuFins-Dad said in More strange and/or foul reactions:

I am just flabbergasted that there is any meaningful division in this….

Democratic Nation whose leadership must ultimately be responsive to the people it governs… Israel Yes, Palestine No.

Freedom of Press… Israel Yes, Palestine No

Civil Rights… do we even need to discuss this? Hamas still requires women to wear hijabs and be circumcised. They only just repealed their “Marry Your Rapist Law” and young girls are sold as brides. In the meantime, Israel has equal rights for all including their Palestinian Citizens. People ignore the fact that almost 20% of Israel’s population are Palestinian/Arab. There are Palestinian Knesset members serving in their government…

Hamas is being supported by Iran, Russia, North Korea… All bastions of freedom, liberty, and equality…. Not…

How are people being this idiotic?

Let's not forget that Jews are mostly democrats, too.

It’s not just a right/left issue. There are plenty of American Alt-Right zealots supporting Hamas over Israel, too. This is a basic fundamental question. Either you support a country with democratic principles of a government that by necessity must be accountable to the people with freedom of religion, press, and speech. With basic protections to shelter the people from the abuses of the government or you support an autocratic regime that makes no such pretensions, that uses it’s citizens as human shields, and have no ultimate respect for human life or dignity.

The Israeli government may not be perfect, no institution made up of people ever will be, and it faces threats that bleeding hearts on both sides of the debate simply cannot comprehend, but at least they are trying to do the right things and it again is simply incomprehensible to me that the general public cannot see that.

[Rainman]

Well-stated, LuFins Dad.
I keep thinking, what am I missing?

[Horace]

I mean the reason the palestinians have support is simple, even if you don't agree with it. They fit perfectly with western progressive victim narratives. That narrative is all but religious to many young westerners (especially female), concerned with their souls and being on the right side of history. And with seeming like good people to their social group. That last bit is getting substantial push back, which is interesting. Usually, facile virtue signals get no pushback.

[George K]

[Horace]

Percentage of female faculty will track with that, though not as prominently.

[George K]

[Horace]

Always uncomfortable watching children play grownup.

[George K]

[Horace]

That mass murder has a catchy beat.

[LuFins Dad]

[Renauda]

France surrenders [again]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67356581

A Vichy like regime will soon follow.