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wrote on 4 Nov 2023, 01:48 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
We’re not witnessing a swing back, we’re witnessing it becoming a bipartisan pastime.
Cue “both sides are equal” strawman response in 5…4…3…
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The endodontist from Boston was fired for tearing down posters of kidnapping victims.
wrote on 4 Nov 2023, 01:55 last edited by@jon-nyc said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
The endodontist from Boston was fired for tearing down posters of kidnapping victims.
That’s still a far cry from simply espousing “From the River to the Sea” which many people just take to mean the abolishment of Israel and the establishment of a Palestinian/Arab nation…
Minimizing Cancel Culture does not mean the removal of repercussions..
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@jon-nyc said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
We’re not witnessing a swing back, we’re witnessing it becoming a bipartisan pastime.
Cue “both sides are equal” strawman response in 5…4…3…
wrote on 4 Nov 2023, 03:10 last edited by@jon-nyc said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
@jon-nyc said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
We’re not witnessing a swing back, we’re witnessing it becoming a bipartisan pastime.
Cue “both sides are equal” strawman response in 5…4…3…
Natural language is as precise a carrier of information as a computer programming language. Therefore when the receiver of the information compiles the language into the wrong ideas, the fault is in the receiver and their compiler. Error 42, straw man response. Abort, cancel, retry? The AIs responding to you all have faulty compilers.
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wrote on 4 Nov 2023, 11:05 last edited by
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wrote on 4 Nov 2023, 11:34 last edited by
Y'all keep trying to apply rational solutions to an irrational problem.
It doesn't matter what the Israelis do, we do, the world does, the Palestinians (for lack of a better term, since Palestine is mostly a British construct) hate the Jews. A visceral, religion-driven hate. Many of them live to kill Jews. Proud to kill Jews. Many times, in the most grotesque and painful way possible.
The Israelis will do their best to root Hamas out. They'll get a lot of them. If they're lucky, maybe a majority. But the seeds of hatred are still there. How long before the rocket attacks begin again? How long before another terrorist invasion starts? How many times does it have to happen, before effective counter measures are enacted?
If the Palestinians wish to live in peace, that's wonderful. Give them aid - medical, food, fuel, electricity, material goods, housing - but don't give them a penny of money. If they do not wish to live in peace, let Israel annex the West Bank as a sovereign part of Israel and let them deal with the Palestinians as they wish.
Personally, I think the only way to permanently deal with the situation is to make the Palestinians A)leave or B) die.
Hey, Putin seems to like them. There's a lot of land in East Russia...
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wrote on 4 Nov 2023, 12:12 last edited by
I do know this much. When a bunch of dark age barbarians pull what happened on October 7th, the collective response from the Western World needs to be “Oh, hell no!” and the capacity for those people to do more of the same needs to be ended. Period. There is no room for “well, the Israelis deserved it” nope. Full stop right there. Now you are actively condoning and encouraging more of the same.
There is zero moral equivalence between the two sides in this war. And if you don’t see that, then you have either a weak will or a weak mind.
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I do know this much. When a bunch of dark age barbarians pull what happened on October 7th, the collective response from the Western World needs to be “Oh, hell no!” and the capacity for those people to do more of the same needs to be ended. Period. There is no room for “well, the Israelis deserved it” nope. Full stop right there. Now you are actively condoning and encouraging more of the same.
There is zero moral equivalence between the two sides in this war. And if you don’t see that, then you have either a weak will or a weak mind.
wrote on 4 Nov 2023, 12:24 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
There is zero moral equivalence between the two sides in this war
Just gonna put this here:
Link to videoShapiro talks moral equivalence at 19:00.
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I do know this much. When a bunch of dark age barbarians pull what happened on October 7th, the collective response from the Western World needs to be “Oh, hell no!” and the capacity for those people to do more of the same needs to be ended. Period. There is no room for “well, the Israelis deserved it” nope. Full stop right there. Now you are actively condoning and encouraging more of the same.
There is zero moral equivalence between the two sides in this war. And if you don’t see that, then you have either a weak will or a weak mind.
wrote on 4 Nov 2023, 12:56 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
I do know this much. When a bunch of dark age barbarians pull what happened on October 7th, the collective response from the Western World needs to be “Oh, hell no!” and the capacity for those people to do more of the same needs to be ended. Period. There is no room for “well, the Israelis deserved it” nope. Full stop right there. Now you are actively condoning and encouraging more of the same.
There is zero moral equivalence between the two sides in this war. And if you don’t see that, then you have either a weak will or a weak mind.
They did a "man on the street" thing on Gutfeld! last night. They had a young man approaching people in NYC, asking them to sign a petition in support of Hamas. Many people were willing, but before he let them sign the petition, he read a brief proviso on Hamas core beliefs.
Most people would not sign the petition afterwards.
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Y'all keep trying to apply rational solutions to an irrational problem.
It doesn't matter what the Israelis do, we do, the world does, the Palestinians (for lack of a better term, since Palestine is mostly a British construct) hate the Jews. A visceral, religion-driven hate. Many of them live to kill Jews. Proud to kill Jews. Many times, in the most grotesque and painful way possible.
The Israelis will do their best to root Hamas out. They'll get a lot of them. If they're lucky, maybe a majority. But the seeds of hatred are still there. How long before the rocket attacks begin again? How long before another terrorist invasion starts? How many times does it have to happen, before effective counter measures are enacted?
If the Palestinians wish to live in peace, that's wonderful. Give them aid - medical, food, fuel, electricity, material goods, housing - but don't give them a penny of money. If they do not wish to live in peace, let Israel annex the West Bank as a sovereign part of Israel and let them deal with the Palestinians as they wish.
Personally, I think the only way to permanently deal with the situation is to make the Palestinians A)leave or B) die.
Hey, Putin seems to like them. There's a lot of land in East Russia...
wrote on 4 Nov 2023, 13:09 last edited by Renauda 11 Apr 2023, 13:55Personally, I think the only way to permanently deal with the situation is to make the Palestinians A)leave or B) die.
Right now your option B is the accepted rational and practicable choice.
Hey, Putin seems to like them. There's a lot of land in East Russia...
Ain’t going to happen. He does not like them that much. He has enough domestic Muslim problems as it is without importing more.
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@LuFins-Dad said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
There is zero moral equivalence between the two sides in this war
Just gonna put this here:
Link to videoShapiro talks moral equivalence at 19:00.
wrote on 4 Nov 2023, 16:15 last edited by@George-K said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
@LuFins-Dad said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
There is zero moral equivalence between the two sides in this war
Just gonna put this here:
Link to videoShapiro talks moral equivalence at 19:00.
Wow, he is so much better in that type of setting as opposed to just trying to fill an hour on a podcast.
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@George-K said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
@LuFins-Dad said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
There is zero moral equivalence between the two sides in this war
Just gonna put this here:
Link to videoShapiro talks moral equivalence at 19:00.
Wow, he is so much better in that type of setting as opposed to just trying to fill an hour on a podcast.
wrote on 4 Nov 2023, 16:20 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
@George-K said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
@LuFins-Dad said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
There is zero moral equivalence between the two sides in this war
Just gonna put this here:
Link to videoShapiro talks moral equivalence at 19:00.
Wow, he is so much better in that type of setting as opposed to just trying to fill an hour on a podcast.
Same can be said for Jordan Peterson.
The public shape of a person who advocates for a tribe as a full time job, will inevitably become grotesque. It doesn't say much about them as a person or a thinker. It's just how public perception works on the internet.
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@George-K said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
@LuFins-Dad said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
There is zero moral equivalence between the two sides in this war
Just gonna put this here:
Link to videoShapiro talks moral equivalence at 19:00.
Wow, he is so much better in that type of setting as opposed to just trying to fill an hour on a podcast.
wrote on 4 Nov 2023, 18:53 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
Wow, he is so much better in that type of setting as opposed to just trying to fill an hour on a podcast.
Yeah. A few years ago I heard him on Sam Harris’s podcast and thought he’s a lot smarter and more nuanced than he comes off in the various viral clips I had seen. So I subscribed to his podcast. Listened for 10 minutes and realized he’s a totally different persona there.
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@LuFins-Dad said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
Wow, he is so much better in that type of setting as opposed to just trying to fill an hour on a podcast.
Yeah. A few years ago I heard him on Sam Harris’s podcast and thought he’s a lot smarter and more nuanced than he comes off in the various viral clips I had seen. So I subscribed to his podcast. Listened for 10 minutes and realized he’s a totally different persona there.
wrote on 4 Nov 2023, 19:06 last edited by@jon-nyc said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
@LuFins-Dad said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
Wow, he is so much better in that type of setting as opposed to just trying to fill an hour on a podcast.
Yeah. A few years ago I heard him on Sam Harris’s podcast and thought he’s a lot smarter and more nuanced than he comes off in the various viral clips I had seen. So I subscribed to his podcast. Listened for 10 minutes and realized he’s a totally different persona there.
Watch the Oxford video George posted in the other thread.
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wrote on 4 Nov 2023, 19:07 last edited by
For several folks, the setting is everything. Mark Levin, to be charitable, is grating on the radio. OTOH, his tv show on FOX (Life, Liberty, and Levin) is much lower key. And much better.
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For several folks, the setting is everything. Mark Levin, to be charitable, is grating on the radio. OTOH, his tv show on FOX (Life, Liberty, and Levin) is much lower key. And much better.
wrote on 4 Nov 2023, 19:19 last edited by@Jolly said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
For several folks, the setting is everything. Mark Levin, to be charitable, is grating on the radio. OTOH, his tv show on FOX (Life, Liberty, and Levin) is much lower key. And much better.
Levin’s real life persona is milder than both.
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wrote on 5 Nov 2023, 10:53 last edited by
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Like Phibes, I have no issue with the physical annihilation of Hamas and its leadership. That would also include Salafist imams who stoke the fanatical cadres of Hamas through religious psychological corecion and bloodthirsty propaganda.
That does not equate to the physical extermination or ethnic cleansing of Arab Palestinians. There is no moral justification for either, both are indefensible and reprehensible.
wrote on 5 Nov 2023, 11:45 last edited by@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
Like Phibes, I have no issue with the physical annihilation of Hamas and its leadership. That would also include Salafist imams who stoke the fanatical cadres of Hamas through religious psychological corecion and bloodthirsty propaganda.
That does not equate to the physical extermination or ethnic cleansing of Arab Palestinians. There is no moral justification for either, both are indefensible and reprehensible.
There you go again, making sense. Both the imperatives and the moral implications are quite clear here. Where it gets tricky is the manifestation of both. We expect Israel to walk a very fine tightwire, but I think they are capable of it.
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@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
Like Phibes, I have no issue with the physical annihilation of Hamas and its leadership. That would also include Salafist imams who stoke the fanatical cadres of Hamas through religious psychological corecion and bloodthirsty propaganda.
That does not equate to the physical extermination or ethnic cleansing of Arab Palestinians. There is no moral justification for either, both are indefensible and reprehensible.
There you go again, making sense. Both the imperatives and the moral implications are quite clear here. Where it gets tricky is the manifestation of both. We expect Israel to walk a very fine tightwire, but I think they are capable of it.
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wrote on 5 Nov 2023, 17:44 last edited by
Ta Nahisi Coates visited Palestinian territories expecting to need to study and observe and think deeply about the situation, but was struck by how obvious the immorality of the situation was. Why is he wrong?
Link to video
