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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #86

    Just a quick domestic political comment, under the irony is ironic column...

    In the last 40 years, some of the strongest supporters of Israel have been Jon's MAGATs and evangelicals. Some of the weakest, have been the Democrat Party.

    Just an observation, carry on...

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by
      #87

      Another observation...I assume most, if not all of the weapons that Hamas and Hezbollah are using are of Russian manufacture. Following the money, who sold them and where did the funds come from to purchase them?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • George KG George K

        Last night, Jennifer Griffin, of Fox, talked about the $6B - and how it's not being used by Iran's funding of Hamas.

        Former State Dept official disagrees:

        jon-nycJ Online
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        jon-nyc
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        #88

        @George-K

        And even that guy uses only future tense verbs. The fungibility argument is reasonable, just not yet.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • MikM Away
          MikM Away
          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #89

          The Biden admin is just scrambling to try to avoid blame coming into the election season. Won't work.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            Friday was the 50 year anniversary of the Yom Kippur war, another surprise attack that caught the Israelis off guard.

            I’m doubting that’s a coincidence, and image the only reason they didn’t do it on 10/6 is they’d rather it be on the enemy’s holy day rather than theirs.

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            George K
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            #90

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

              JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #91

              @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

              From the post:

              But, more importantly, in a larger sense the Biden administration has contributed both to the notion that Hamas was a legitimate Middle East player, and to the perception that the U.S. was backing away from its traditional support for Israel—to the delight of Hamas—based on the following inexplicable policies:

              1. In February Secretary of State Blinken had bragged that not only had the Biden administration resumed massive aid to the PLA cancelled by Trump, but cumulatively had transferred $1 billion—even as Palestinian authorities bragged that they would continue to pay bounties to the families of “martyrs” (i.e., those killed while conducting terrorists attacks against Israel).

              And millions of American dollars also went into Gaza, run by Hamas—despite the Biden administration’s efforts to keep mostly quiet the resumption of such inexplicable support. In this regard, note the current shameful State-Department (“U.S. Office of Palestinian Affairs”) website news release that was posted after today’s attack. It ended with this quite embarrassing, morally equivalent admonition:

              “We urged all sides to refrain from violence and retaliatory attacks. Terror and violence solve nothing.”

              "All sides?" "Refrain from retaliatory attacks?”

              So Israel is the moral equivalent of terrorists executing civilians and brutalizing their corpses? And the IDF then is not supposed to retaliate against these killers?

              This Biden State Department insanity cannot stand. So expect some apparatchik to take down this Munich-like posting as soon as possible.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nyc
                wrote on last edited by
                #92

                George - those are fair criticisms. Magat twitter didn't have them on hand yesterday, so they resorted to the shit I had to debunk here.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #93

                  Maybe their shit was essentially right.

                  Not that you would admit it.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
                    jon-nycJ Online
                    jon-nyc
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                    #94

                    No, there was no causal connection between the 6B released to the Qatari banks two weeks ago and this. You admitted as much yourself that this has obviously been planned for months.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
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                      #95

                      I do think it has been planned for months. What I do wonder about, was if the release of the money was enough to flip the switch.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        Horace
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                        #96

                        People never make plans based on expectations of future income, nor do they spend money now based on those expectations. Conspiracy theorists may believe otherwise.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #97

                          Things are getting heated up in the North as well.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Horace
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #98

                            So this will be one of those “wars” where nearly all of the casualties will be civilian.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              jon-nyc
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                              #99

                              IDF says they’re still battling Hamas on Israeli territory.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                jon-nyc
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                                #100

                                According to Sec Blinken, the hostages dragged across the border include a holocaust survivor in a wheelchair.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  bachophile
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                                  #101

                                  We are all shell shocked. No other way to describe it.

                                  We need time to digest this.

                                  And there is going to be more to come.

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    Another observation...I assume most, if not all of the weapons that Hamas and Hezbollah are using are of Russian manufacture. Following the money, who sold them and where did the funds come from to purchase them?

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                                    Renauda
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                                    #102

                                    @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                    Another observation...I assume most, if not all of the weapons that Hamas and Hezbollah are using are of Russian manufacture. Following the money, who sold them and where did the funds come from to purchase them?

                                    And I assume the supply of weapons would have been included in a secret protocol attached to a wide ranging ODA (Russian equivalent to USAID) technical assistance programme for the both Palestinian Authority and Hamas. In other words, the financing would have come from Kremlin’s budget for international aid and global mischief. That’s how Moscow conducts itself in the world.

                                    I realise that you really want to make this into a story about the failure of recent US foreign policy. Hate to break it to you, but it’s not all about the US. It’s about Israel and a well planned large scale terrorist attack against it during the last 48 hours. After Israel has secured the situation, only then the hows, why’s and extent of various intelligence failures can be examined.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • bachophileB bachophile

                                      We are all shell shocked. No other way to describe it.

                                      We need time to digest this.

                                      And there is going to be more to come.

                                      MikM Away
                                      MikM Away
                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #103

                                      @bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                      We are all shell shocked. No other way to describe it.

                                      We need time to digest this.

                                      And there is going to be more to come.

                                      Hope you and yours are safe.

                                      On the morning news shows the moderators are still trying to play gotcha with Michael Herzog about how the IDF was taken by surprise. Ghoulish.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • bachophileB bachophile

                                        We are all shell shocked. No other way to describe it.

                                        We need time to digest this.

                                        And there is going to be more to come.

                                        RenaudaR Offline
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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #104

                                        @bachophile

                                        I can only imagine the numbness of the shock. Hopefully things will be secured sooner or later. Main thing is that you and your family are safe.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                                          @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                          Another observation...I assume most, if not all of the weapons that Hamas and Hezbollah are using are of Russian manufacture. Following the money, who sold them and where did the funds come from to purchase them?

                                          And I assume the supply of weapons would have been included in a secret protocol attached to a wide ranging ODA (Russian equivalent to USAID) technical assistance programme for the both Palestinian Authority and Hamas. In other words, the financing would have come from Kremlin’s budget for international aid and global mischief. That’s how Moscow conducts itself in the world.

                                          I realise that you really want to make this into a story about the failure of recent US foreign policy. Hate to break it to you, but it’s not all about the US. It’s about Israel and a well planned large scale terrorist attack against it during the last 48 hours. After Israel has secured the situation, only then the hows, why’s and extent of various intelligence failures can be examined.

                                          JollyJ Offline
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                                          Jolly
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                                          @Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                          @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                          Another observation...I assume most, if not all of the weapons that Hamas and Hezbollah are using are of Russian manufacture. Following the money, who sold them and where did the funds come from to purchase them?

                                          And I assume the supply of weapons would have been included in a secret protocol attached to a wide ranging ODA (Russian equivalent to USAID) technical assistance programme for the both Palestinian Authority and Hamas. In other words, the financing would have come from Kremlin’s budget for international aid and global mischief. That’s how Moscow conducts itself in the world.

                                          I realise that you really want to make this into a story about the failure of recent US foreign policy. Hate to break it to you, but it’s not all about the US. It’s about Israel and a large scale terrorist attack against it during the last 48 hours. After Israel has secured the situation, only then the hows, why’s and extent of various intelligence failures can be examined.

                                          I don't want to make it into anything. I don't have to. It is a failure of U.S. foreign policy. It is also a failure of Israeli intelligence, something I can't fathom.

                                          Lastly, and this might send you into orbit...Don't be surprised if you find a Ukrainian connection to some of the weapons being used by the Arabs. Weapons paid for by U.S. tax dollars.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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