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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by
    #92

    George - those are fair criticisms. Magat twitter didn't have them on hand yesterday, so they resorted to the shit I had to debunk here.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by
      #93

      Maybe their shit was essentially right.

      Not that you would admit it.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on last edited by
        #94

        No, there was no causal connection between the 6B released to the Qatari banks two weeks ago and this. You admitted as much yourself that this has obviously been planned for months.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #95

          I do think it has been planned for months. What I do wonder about, was if the release of the money was enough to flip the switch.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #96

            People never make plans based on expectations of future income, nor do they spend money now based on those expectations. Conspiracy theorists may believe otherwise.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #97

              Things are getting heated up in the North as well.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • HoraceH Offline
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                Horace
                wrote on last edited by
                #98

                So this will be one of those “wars” where nearly all of the casualties will be civilian.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #99

                  IDF says they’re still battling Hamas on Israeli territory.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #100

                    According to Sec Blinken, the hostages dragged across the border include a holocaust survivor in a wheelchair.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • bachophileB Offline
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                      bachophile
                      wrote on last edited by bachophile
                      #101

                      We are all shell shocked. No other way to describe it.

                      We need time to digest this.

                      And there is going to be more to come.

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        Another observation...I assume most, if not all of the weapons that Hamas and Hezbollah are using are of Russian manufacture. Following the money, who sold them and where did the funds come from to purchase them?

                        RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                        #102

                        @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                        Another observation...I assume most, if not all of the weapons that Hamas and Hezbollah are using are of Russian manufacture. Following the money, who sold them and where did the funds come from to purchase them?

                        And I assume the supply of weapons would have been included in a secret protocol attached to a wide ranging ODA (Russian equivalent to USAID) technical assistance programme for the both Palestinian Authority and Hamas. In other words, the financing would have come from Kremlin’s budget for international aid and global mischief. That’s how Moscow conducts itself in the world.

                        I realise that you really want to make this into a story about the failure of recent US foreign policy. Hate to break it to you, but it’s not all about the US. It’s about Israel and a well planned large scale terrorist attack against it during the last 48 hours. After Israel has secured the situation, only then the hows, why’s and extent of various intelligence failures can be examined.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • bachophileB bachophile

                          We are all shell shocked. No other way to describe it.

                          We need time to digest this.

                          And there is going to be more to come.

                          MikM Offline
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                          @bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                          We are all shell shocked. No other way to describe it.

                          We need time to digest this.

                          And there is going to be more to come.

                          Hope you and yours are safe.

                          On the morning news shows the moderators are still trying to play gotcha with Michael Herzog about how the IDF was taken by surprise. Ghoulish.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • bachophileB bachophile

                            We are all shell shocked. No other way to describe it.

                            We need time to digest this.

                            And there is going to be more to come.

                            RenaudaR Offline
                            RenaudaR Offline
                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #104

                            @bachophile

                            I can only imagine the numbness of the shock. Hopefully things will be secured sooner or later. Main thing is that you and your family are safe.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                              Another observation...I assume most, if not all of the weapons that Hamas and Hezbollah are using are of Russian manufacture. Following the money, who sold them and where did the funds come from to purchase them?

                              And I assume the supply of weapons would have been included in a secret protocol attached to a wide ranging ODA (Russian equivalent to USAID) technical assistance programme for the both Palestinian Authority and Hamas. In other words, the financing would have come from Kremlin’s budget for international aid and global mischief. That’s how Moscow conducts itself in the world.

                              I realise that you really want to make this into a story about the failure of recent US foreign policy. Hate to break it to you, but it’s not all about the US. It’s about Israel and a well planned large scale terrorist attack against it during the last 48 hours. After Israel has secured the situation, only then the hows, why’s and extent of various intelligence failures can be examined.

                              JollyJ Offline
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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #105

                              @Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                              @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                              Another observation...I assume most, if not all of the weapons that Hamas and Hezbollah are using are of Russian manufacture. Following the money, who sold them and where did the funds come from to purchase them?

                              And I assume the supply of weapons would have been included in a secret protocol attached to a wide ranging ODA (Russian equivalent to USAID) technical assistance programme for the both Palestinian Authority and Hamas. In other words, the financing would have come from Kremlin’s budget for international aid and global mischief. That’s how Moscow conducts itself in the world.

                              I realise that you really want to make this into a story about the failure of recent US foreign policy. Hate to break it to you, but it’s not all about the US. It’s about Israel and a large scale terrorist attack against it during the last 48 hours. After Israel has secured the situation, only then the hows, why’s and extent of various intelligence failures can be examined.

                              I don't want to make it into anything. I don't have to. It is a failure of U.S. foreign policy. It is also a failure of Israeli intelligence, something I can't fathom.

                              Lastly, and this might send you into orbit...Don't be surprised if you find a Ukrainian connection to some of the weapons being used by the Arabs. Weapons paid for by U.S. tax dollars.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                #106

                                You’re already in orbit why would I want to join you there? I prefer to stay grounded in reality.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • RenaudaR Renauda

                                  You’re already in orbit why would I want to join you there? I prefer to stay grounded in reality.

                                  JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #107

                                  @Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                  You’re already in orbit why would I want to join you there? I prefer to stay grounded in reality.

                                  You don't think there is corruption in Ukraine and a weapons black market?

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #108

                                    Stop being obtuse. And stay on topic, once again you fall back to your preferred tactic of throwing out distractors when your argument is under question.

                                    Of course there’s weapons corruption in Ukraine, no one suggests otherwise.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #109

                                      I'm not being obtuse. I've been quite plain.

                                      And I can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • RenaudaR Offline
                                        RenaudaR Offline
                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #110

                                        I sometimes wonder.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • RenaudaR Offline
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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #111

                                          Lawrence Freedman’s analysis of the current situation. A long read but worth the time and effort:

                                          https://open.substack.com/pub/samf/p/hamas-attacks-israel?r=17wfy3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

                                          Elbows up!

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