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    George K
    wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 17:01 last edited by George K 11 Nov 2023, 17:02
    #749

    Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited,

    Is Israel doing that?

    (BTW - a lot of silence on what's happening in Pakistan, no?)

    Occupying Power may undertake total or partial evacuation of a given area if the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand.

    Israel IS doing that. Actually, no. The evacuation is being PREVENTED by Hamas - civilians being shot as they try to evacuate.

    The Occupying Power undertaking such transfers or evacuations shall ensure, to the greatest practicable extent, that proper accommodation is provided to receive the protected persons, that the removals are effected in satisfactory conditions of hygiene,

    Hard to do when the infrastructure, despite billions of dollars poured in are diverted to military resources.

    The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand.

    Israel is not doing that, is it?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Axtremus
      wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 17:13 last edited by
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      'Most of the children in my family photo are dead'
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-67273969

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      • G George K
        10 Nov 2023, 19:52

        Granted, the fact that Gaza is small is advantageous, but doesn't it seem like the IDF is making rapid, rapid progress? After a couple of weeks "softening things up," they seem to be getting down to serious business.

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        Mik
        wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 17:22 last edited by
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        @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

        Granted, the fact that Gaza is small is advantageous, but doesn't it seem like the IDF is making rapid, rapid progress? After a couple of weeks "softening things up," they seem to be getting down to serious business.

        They've had a very long time to plan for this , and I'd be shocked if they had not done so.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 17:23 last edited by
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          Ahhh, the settlements again. I’m not a lawyer, but I do question the description of occupation when there was no forced transfer by the Israeli government or deportations excepting during the actual war.

          The Brad

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 12 Nov 2023, 19:59 last edited by
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            Only non-witches get due process.

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              12 Nov 2023, 19:59

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              George K
              wrote on 12 Nov 2023, 21:10 last edited by
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              @jon-nyc I would think there are records of such communications.

              If so...that's bad, very bad.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Horace
                wrote on 12 Nov 2023, 21:24 last edited by
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                Nobody ever said the Israeli intelligence services were any good.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 13 Nov 2023, 00:31 last edited by
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                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on 13 Nov 2023, 09:15 last edited by taiwan_girl
                    #757

                    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-tunnels-piercing-a-battleground-beneath-gaza/

                    Interesting article about the tunnels.

                    alt text

                    Red are identified tunnels. Blue are destroyed tunnels. (Much easier to see the drawing if you click and then expand)

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                    • T taiwan_girl
                      13 Nov 2023, 09:15

                      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-tunnels-piercing-a-battleground-beneath-gaza/

                      Interesting article about the tunnels.

                      alt text

                      Red are identified tunnels. Blue are destroyed tunnels. (Much easier to see the drawing if you click and then expand)

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                      George K
                      wrote on 13 Nov 2023, 12:28 last edited by
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                      @taiwan_girl said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                      Interesting article about the tunnels.

                      Boston Dynamics, FTW!

                      image.jpeg

                      At $75K each, that's pretty cheap considering what they do - of course, all the mapping stuff adds to the price. Still a bargain.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 14 Nov 2023, 16:33 last edited by
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                        The Gazan Children

                        https://freebeacon.com/national-security/children-as-young-as-10-took-part-in-hamass-oct-7-terror-attack-survivors-say/

                        EILAT, Israel—Eran Smilansky, a 28-year-old potato farmer, watched Gazan children go from house to house in his kibbutz on Oct. 7. Hamas terrorists followed. The boys laughed as the gunmen shot or dragged away Israeli families.

                        "They were like young, young kids," said Smilansky, who defended his home from terrorists for more than six hours that day. "They were going in front of the terrorists, laughing with their friends and looking very calm. I remember thinking, What the fuck?"

                        Smilansky was one of a dozen survivors of the Nir Oz massacre who told the Washington Free Beacon they witnessed boys or women from the Gaza Strip looting the kibbutz, helping the armed terrorists, and apparently enjoying themselves. The youngest children were around 10 years old, according to several of the survivors, one of whom provided photographs of some of the women and children he saw. The survivors spoke at a hotel in Eilat, Israel's Red Sea resort town, where most of them have been temporarily relocated.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          blondie
                          wrote on 14 Nov 2023, 16:50 last edited by
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                          @George .. I’m just going to come out & say it: Kids from generations of parents from war torn countries carry their own special baggage. It’s called hate. It’s with them forever.

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                          • B blondie
                            14 Nov 2023, 16:50

                            @George .. I’m just going to come out & say it: Kids from generations of parents from war torn countries carry their own special baggage. It’s called hate. It’s with them forever.

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                            George K
                            wrote on 14 Nov 2023, 17:07 last edited by
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                            @blondie said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                            Kids from generations of parents from war torn countries carry their own special baggage.

                            Yes, but, only the kids who actually experience it. My parents are from war-torn countries. I have baggage, but not that kind. Same can be said of @Doctor-Phibes and others here.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on 14 Nov 2023, 18:09 last edited by Renauda
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                              I went to school with a lot of Polish and Ukrainian kids whose parents immigrated here after the war. In university I knew a lot of young Poles who had immigrated here as teenagers.

                              The baggage was markedly different in each case.

                              In high school, 99.9% of the Ukrainian kids militantly despised the USSR, but had some sympathy for Russian people as they viewed them as victims of communism like their parents. The Polish kids whose parents were from in eastern regions of Poland invaded by the Russians in 1939, then deported to the USSR for the duration of the war hated all things Russian. At the same time, both the Ukrainians and Poles were only passively contemptuous of German kids whose parents immigrated here from Germany post 1945.

                              In university the pattern remained much the same with exception of Polish kids who came here as teens in 60’s and 70’s. They were, at least until the Soludarity movement started to take hold, quite favourable or at least indifferent towards the USSR and Russians but without exception bore unrelenting animosity, even hatred, toward all things German.

                              So I yeah would tend to agree with Blondie’s post.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • G George K
                                14 Nov 2023, 17:07

                                @blondie said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                Kids from generations of parents from war torn countries carry their own special baggage.

                                Yes, but, only the kids who actually experience it. My parents are from war-torn countries. I have baggage, but not that kind. Same can be said of @Doctor-Phibes and others here.

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                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on 14 Nov 2023, 18:15 last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                #763

                                @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                Yes, but, only the kids who actually experience it. My parents are from war-torn countries. I have baggage, but not that kind. Same can be said of @Doctor-Phibes and others here.

                                I don't think you can really describe my parents upbringing as war-torn. My dad lived through the London blitz, but that was nothing compared to what happened to those living in continental Europe, particularly in the east.

                                If I have any baggage it's self-inflicted 😀

                                I was only joking

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                                  Axtremus
                                  wrote on 14 Nov 2023, 20:51 last edited by
                                  #764

                                  https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/biden-says-gaza-hospitals-must-be-protected-2023-11-14/

                                  https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/people-trapped-inside-gazas-al-shifa-planning-bury-dead-bodies-2023-11-14/

                                  Gazans trapped in Al-Shifa hospital dig mass grave to bury the dead.

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                                    14 Nov 2023, 20:51

                                    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/biden-says-gaza-hospitals-must-be-protected-2023-11-14/

                                    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/people-trapped-inside-gazas-al-shifa-planning-bury-dead-bodies-2023-11-14/

                                    Gazans trapped in Al-Shifa hospital dig mass grave to bury the dead.

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 15 Nov 2023, 00:22 last edited by
                                    #765

                                    @Axtremus
                                    A horrific monument to Hamas’s war crimes.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 15 Nov 2023, 00:22 last edited by jon-nyc
                                      #766

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        15 Nov 2023, 00:22

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 15 Nov 2023, 00:25 last edited by
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                                        @jon-nyc it's going to be a mess.

                                        Regardless of how "good" the outcome is, it will be condemned.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 15 Nov 2023, 00:40 last edited by
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                                          None of which belies it’s necessity.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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