Hamas attacks Israel
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wrote on 27 Oct 2023, 14:13 last edited by
Brave Sir Robin...
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wrote on 27 Oct 2023, 14:23 last edited by
The reporter is then immediately beheaded.
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Brave Sir Robin...
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wrote on 27 Oct 2023, 15:11 last edited by
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wrote on 27 Oct 2023, 15:46 last edited by
Care?
Neither should the West.
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wrote on 27 Oct 2023, 17:05 last edited by
Whenever those tunnels are mentioned, I imagine how many people died digging them. Dirty Jobs should have done an episode about Hamas tunnel diggers.
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wrote on 27 Oct 2023, 17:11 last edited by
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Whenever those tunnels are mentioned, I imagine how many people died digging them. Dirty Jobs should have done an episode about Hamas tunnel diggers.
wrote on 27 Oct 2023, 17:23 last edited by@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Whenever those tunnels are mentioned, I imagine how many people died digging them. Dirty Jobs should have done an episode about Hamas tunnel diggers.
They desperately need OSHA.
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They seemed determined to drag us into this. Possibly to get us to take our eyes off Ukraine?
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wrote on 27 Oct 2023, 21:42 last edited by
Like I already said, Syria is Putin’s sandbox. Little happens there without his knowledge and blessing. Assad is his chinless stooge.
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G George K referenced this topic on 28 Oct 2023, 16:45
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wrote on 28 Oct 2023, 16:46 last edited by
Thread pinned - I think we're going to be talking about this for a while.
Meanwhile, Israel has attacked with a vengeance.
Lots of tweets, videos at the link.
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wrote on 28 Oct 2023, 23:13 last edited by Renauda
Emphasis mine:
"From the Russian side, via the Foreign Ministry, we received a list of citizens that have dual citizenship," senior Hamas representative Moussa Abu Marzook said, the RIA Novosti news agency reported.
“We are looking for those people... It is hard but we are looking. And when we find them, we will let them go. We are very attentive to this list and will process it carefully because we consider Russia to be a close friend," he said. -
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wrote on 29 Oct 2023, 16:23 last edited by Horace
This is one of the better conversations I've heard, mostly for how clear the futility becomes, listening to a pro-Palestinian talk about his side. You can quibble with how he avoids putting any blame on the Islam faith, or on the Hamas oath to exterminate the Jews. Even without that, his more fundamental point remains that the Palestinians feel they were occupied, and they'd rather fight and die than submit to that. Factual arguments about whether they really are occupied or whether this is really their land are irrelevant, if that's how they feel.
People have been taking land from one another by force forever, but western civilization has recently decided it's wrong. Now that the lines are acceptable to the people who make the rules, the people who make the rules have declared those lines to be the morally justified ones. The Palestinians don't feel that's fair, and that's totally understandable, even inevitable. As Hughes notes, anybody born in Palestine would feel justified in their perspective, and anybody born in Israel would feel justified in their perspective. Used to be, the people who weren't satisfied with being colonized, fought and died, or assimilated. There were no higher authorities to appeal to. But now Palestine knows they can appeal to the bleeding heart west, and the appeal works. So Israel tiptoes around the only viable solution, the solution which would have been practiced at all historical times except this one. Dominance through violence, forcing total capitulation of the conquered people.
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wrote on 29 Oct 2023, 16:28 last edited by
Our dinner guests last night were all Jewish, so the conversation was pretty spirited this subject. Pretty much all pro-Israel, of course, but spirited still. The question I asked is, since the Gaza folks voted Hamas in, are there any innocent Gazans?
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Our dinner guests last night were all Jewish, so the conversation was pretty spirited this subject. Pretty much all pro-Israel, of course, but spirited still. The question I asked is, since the Gaza folks voted Hamas in, are there any innocent Gazans?
wrote on 29 Oct 2023, 16:29 last edited by@Mik said in Hamas attacks Israel:
The question I asked is, since the Gaza folks voted Hamas in, are there any innocent Gazans?
Annnd?
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Our dinner guests last night were all Jewish, so the conversation was pretty spirited this subject. Pretty much all pro-Israel, of course, but spirited still. The question I asked is, since the Gaza folks voted Hamas in, are there any innocent Gazans?
wrote on 29 Oct 2023, 16:42 last edited by xenon@Mik said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Our dinner guests last night were all Jewish, so the conversation was pretty spirited this subject. Pretty much all pro-Israel, of course, but spirited still. The question I asked is, since the Gaza folks voted Hamas in, are there any innocent Gazans?
I don’t think a society can shortcut its way to democracy. Groups like Hamas would have no compunction killing political rivals before they can stand for elections.
You have to really value the individual before you can care about elections.