Hamas attacks Israel
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wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 18:37 last edited by
I said they weren't stupid. I didn't say they were always logical.
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wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 18:54 last edited by
I’ve been all day in the hospital. Just returned. Back again early tomorrow. No time to respond here. But things are tense.
All my family are all ok.
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I’ve been all day in the hospital. Just returned. Back again early tomorrow. No time to respond here. But things are tense.
All my family are all ok.
wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 19:01 last edited by@bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I’ve been all day in the hospital. Just returned. Back again early tomorrow. No time to respond here. But things are tense.
All my family are all ok.
Glad to hear from you and glad your family is okay. Stay safe.
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You understand incorrectly. It is held in restricted accounts in Qatar, spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent. None have been spent yet, so even the fungibility argument won’t work yet.
I’m afraid this war just might not be very useful as a domestic political cudgel. Heck, at some point you might just have to comment on the war itself.
wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 20:00 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent
Someone, apparently, has a differing view of "oversight."
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wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 20:02 last edited by
Gosh bachophile, I can't imagine living in your world. Stay safe, our thoughts and prayers are with you, and I mean that. I've been tuned into this all morning. Israel is so very tiny on the map. And the Iranian Parliament jumps up and down in unison with their neanderthal group chants. Just sick.
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@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent
Someone, apparently, has a differing view of "oversight."
wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 20:03 last edited by@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent
Someone, apparently, has a differing view of "oversight."
"Humanitarian" could easily mean "attack Israel" in that culture.
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wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 20:17 last edited by
I have no knowledge whether that $6B was fundamental in financing this attack, by the way, and I'm not claiming that it was.
Just that the Iranians seem to think they can do whatever they want with the money, despite what we're told.
Of course, why would we ever distrust the Iranians, right?
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wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 20:31 last edited by Horace 10 Jul 2023, 20:31
Not only is money fungible, different sources of money, allegedly siloed from one another, are also fungible. If a country produces just enough to feed itself, and gets a gift which is just enough to feed itself, it can use the gift to feed itself, and have its own production burning a hole in its pocket.
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wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 20:43 last edited by
What happened with Iron Dome?
I originally read that it was "overwhelmed." Now I'm seeing stories that it was "down." Was it purposefully disabled to allow the attacks?
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wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 20:45 last edited by
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wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 20:52 last edited by
I hope Israel is trying to kill people and break things.
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I have no knowledge whether that $6B was fundamental in financing this attack, by the way, and I'm not claiming that it was.
Just that the Iranians seem to think they can do whatever they want with the money, despite what we're told.
Of course, why would we ever distrust the Iranians, right?
wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 21:01 last edited by jon-nyc 10 Jul 2023, 21:01@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I have no knowledge whether that $6B was fundamental in financing this attack, by the way, and I'm not claiming that it was.
Just that the Iranians seem to think they can do whatever they want with the money, despite what we're told.
Of course, why would we ever distrust the Iranians, right?
Ironic, since you’re the one taking the ayatollah’s version of things over the public agreement between the West and Qatar.
While the fungibility argument could be made six months from now, there simply wasn’t time for there to be a causal connection between that money and this operation.
What I really find tedious though, is that so much of Magat Twitter didn’t even bother condemning Hamas, they fell straight into their Blame America First schtick.
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I’ve been all day in the hospital. Just returned. Back again early tomorrow. No time to respond here. But things are tense.
All my family are all ok.
wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 21:04 last edited by@bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I’ve been all day in the hospital. Just returned. Back again early tomorrow. No time to respond here. But things are tense.
All my family are all ok.
Very glad to hear it. It must be stressful.
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wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 21:05 last edited by
I have a friend (urologist) who's in Israel right now. I asked him how things are, and he said, "We're in the North, and it's business as usual right now."
That was at 8AM Chicago time...
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What happened with Iron Dome?
I originally read that it was "overwhelmed." Now I'm seeing stories that it was "down." Was it purposefully disabled to allow the attacks?
wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 21:05 last edited by@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
What happened with Iron Dome?
I originally read that it was "overwhelmed." Now I'm seeing stories that it was "down." Was it purposefully disabled to allow the attacks?
I read that too. I’m very curious.
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wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 21:06 last edited by
Interesting, when I Google iron dome failure I get old stories of it failing. Maybe it’s not that stable.
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@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I have no knowledge whether that $6B was fundamental in financing this attack, by the way, and I'm not claiming that it was.
Just that the Iranians seem to think they can do whatever they want with the money, despite what we're told.
Of course, why would we ever distrust the Iranians, right?
Ironic, since you’re the one taking the ayatollah’s version of things over the public agreement between the West and Qatar.
While the fungibility argument could be made six months from now, there simply wasn’t time for there to be a causal connection between that money and this operation.
What I really find tedious though, is that so much of Magat Twitter didn’t even bother condemning Hamas, they fell straight into their Blame America First schtick.
wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 21:14 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I have no knowledge whether that $6B was fundamental in financing this attack, by the way, and I'm not claiming that it was.
Just that the Iranians seem to think they can do whatever they want with the money, despite what we're told.
Of course, why would we ever distrust the Iranians, right?
Ironic, since you’re the one taking the ayatollah’s version of things over the public agreement between the West and Qatar.
While the fungibility argument could be made six months from now, there simply wasn’t time for there to be a causal connection between that money and this operation.
What I really find tedious though, is that so much of Magat Twitter didn’t even bother condemning Hamas, they fell straight into their Blame America First schtick.
Yes, they need to be deprogrammed.
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wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 21:14 last edited by
Apparently the system can be overwhelmed and they sent thousands of rockets.
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wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 21:15 last edited by jon-nyc 10 Jul 2023, 21:15
By the way, I wonder if/how Israeli retaliation will be affected by the fact that Hamas took all those hostages?
I’ve read dozens and even hundreds of hostages were taken. There doesn’t seem to be any clarity on that yet.
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wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 21:20 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Apparently the system can be overwhelmed and they sent thousands of rockets.
Of course, there are other theories….
Be seeing you….