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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Difficult to interpret. How often does Israel receive such warnings, what was the specific warning, etc.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • CopperC Online
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      The Americans dropped warning leaflets on Hiroshima.

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      • HoraceH Horace

        Difficult to interpret. How often does Israel receive such warnings, what was the specific warning, etc.

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        @Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:

        Difficult to interpret. How often does Israel receive such warnings, what was the specific warning, etc.

        "Bin Laden determined to strike US."

        Pretty ambiguous, and certainly not actionable.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • taiwan_girlT Offline
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          Shotting out a Hamas car from a motorcycle

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          • bachophileB Offline
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            Lots of stuff on “x” (formerly known as Twitter) but this guy gave me a smile

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            • bachophileB bachophile

              Lots of stuff on “x” (formerly known as Twitter) but this guy gave me a smile

              RenaudaR Offline
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              @bachophile

              Made me smile as well.

              Tally Ho!

              Elbows up!

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              • bachophileB bachophile

                Lots of stuff on “x” (formerly known as Twitter) but this guy gave me a smile

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                @bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                Lots of stuff on “x” (formerly known as Twitter) but this guy gave me a smile

                Shared with my son. Not that he’s said anything about the Israel and the Middle East, but he’s in college and probably being flooded with wrong impressions.

                The Brad

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                • jon-nycJ Online
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                  David Frum:

                  It's not a very good plan, is it:

                  "Step 1: murder and torture hundreds of people, rape women, decapitate babies, abduct children."

                  "Step 2: beg the survivors of the murdered, tortured, raped, and abducted people to supply electricity, food, and water."

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    David Frum:

                    It's not a very good plan, is it:

                    "Step 1: murder and torture hundreds of people, rape women, decapitate babies, abduct children."

                    "Step 2: beg the survivors of the murdered, tortured, raped, and abducted people to supply electricity, food, and water."

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                    @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                    "Step 1: murder and torture hundreds of people, rape women, decapitate babies, abduct children."

                    "Step 2: beg the survivors of the murdered, tortured, raped, and abducted people to supply electricity, food, and water."

                    Goes in line with Andrea Mitchell's amazing interview.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      That video is fantastic.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        SitRep from the IDF as of last night:

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            This is why:

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              David Frum:

                              It's not a very good plan, is it:

                              "Step 1: murder and torture hundreds of people, rape women, decapitate babies, abduct children."

                              "Step 2: beg the survivors of the murdered, tortured, raped, and abducted people to supply electricity, food, and water."

                              JollyJ Offline
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                              @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                              David Frum:

                              It's not a very good plan, is it:

                              "Step 1: murder and torture hundreds of people, rape women, decapitate babies, abduct children."

                              "Step 2: beg the survivors of the murdered, tortured, raped, and abducted people to supply electricity, food, and water."

                              From the neocon who ballyhooed the invasion of Iraq. He may be right, but I don't pay much attention to Frum anymore...

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                David Frum:

                                It's not a very good plan, is it:

                                "Step 1: murder and torture hundreds of people, rape women, decapitate babies, abduct children."

                                "Step 2: beg the survivors of the murdered, tortured, raped, and abducted people to supply electricity, food, and water."

                                HoraceH Offline
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                                @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                David Frum:

                                It's not a very good plan, is it:

                                "Step 1: murder and torture hundreds of people, rape women, decapitate babies, abduct children."

                                "Step 2: beg the survivors of the murdered, tortured, raped, and abducted people to supply electricity, food, and water."

                                It would be simplifying to assume the agents who did step 1 are the same agents doing step 2.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  Indeed.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  • bachophileB bachophile

                                    Lots of stuff on “x” (formerly known as Twitter) but this guy gave me a smile

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                                    @bachophile That guy is my new hero.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      David Frum:

                                      It's not a very good plan, is it:

                                      "Step 1: murder and torture hundreds of people, rape women, decapitate babies, abduct children."

                                      "Step 2: beg the survivors of the murdered, tortured, raped, and abducted people to supply electricity, food, and water."

                                      RenaudaR Offline
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                                      @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                      David Frum:

                                      It's not a very good plan, is it:

                                      "Step 1: murder and torture hundreds of people, rape women, decapitate babies, abduct children."

                                      "Step 2: beg the survivors of the murdered, tortured, raped, and abducted people to supply electricity, food, and water."

                                      Sums it up quite nicely.

                                      I rather like Frum and his brand of conservatism. Need more of it.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • George KG Offline
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                                        How Israel Got Ambushed


                                        Today, senior Hamas official Ali Baraka, in an interview on an Arabic-language TV station, boasted that the terrorist organization had been planning the attack for two years.

                                        “The zero hour was kept completely secret. . . . Hamas leaders knew it. The number of people who knew about the attack and its timing could be counted on one hand.”

                                        The fact that Hamas kept this secret is arguably Israel’s most serious failure. Israeli intelligence agencies—the Mossad, the Shin Bet, and the Military Intelligence Directorate (Aman)—are seen as world-beating institutions. Only a few years ago, they located and stole Iran’s nuclear archives right from under the noses of the ayatollahs. Israel invests billions in tracking every movement of every presumed terrorist in Gaza. But somehow they missed this.

                                        One reason why is that Israel hasn’t had a physical presence or human agents in Gaza since its unilateral withdrawal from the region in 2005. Most of its tracking today is done by signals intelligence. So Hamas likely avoided using any electronic devices to communicate plans of their attack. And, as Baraka said, they kept the plan highly compartmentalized within Hamas ranks, with gunmen told only a small piece of the puzzle, to prevent a leak.

                                        This shows impressive operational discipline on Hamas’s part, and it will require Israel to restructure its intelligence apparatus once this war is over. The fact that—as of Wednesday night in Israel—the IDF has still not entered Gaza shows they’re remaining cautious, because what else might they be missing?

                                        The breakdown in Israel’s physical defenses was its second big failure. Over the years, Israel has invested billions of dollars in barriers—above and below ground—in addition to sophisticated sensors, cameras, radars, and remote-control guns that were supposed to stop anyone from entering Israel through the fence or via cross-border tunnels.

                                        And yet, Hamas proved these defensive measures were not just penetrable, but nothing more than a nuisance. The terrorist organization released videos showing their gunmen breaking through with ease, cutting holes in the barrier so big that pickup trucks could drive right across. They sent in drones, paragliders, and navy forces under the cover of rocket barrages, while bombing Israel’s remote-control guns from above.


                                        There are more analyses at the link.

                                        Most telling: “The Israelis are known to love life,” he continued. “We, on the other hand, sacrifice ourselves. We consider our dead to be martyrs. The thing any Palestinian desires the most is to be martyred for the sake of Allah, defending his land.”

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • 89th8 Online
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                                          Imagine living like this. The link should work although you'll have to click a button saying you're at least 18 years old.

                                          Anyway, a couple is driving on the highway and starts to see various cars with dead bodies in or around them. Then they drive by the Hamas terrorists and luckily keep driving. They pass at least a dozen dead bodies on the ground.

                                          https://www.reddit.com/r/ActualPublicFreakouts/comments/1768ho6/innocent_civilians_freaking_out_while_caught_on/

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