Hamas attacks Israel

[kluurs]

In any population, there are the good, the bad, and the ugly. Proportions may vary. Still, the sad thing is when the innocents are killed - children and those with peace of heart. The seeds of the brutality and retribution are once more being sown. It's one of those times when one wonders if humanity has a path forward that moves away from madness. I think of those who survived WWII - who must have felt this sickness even more closely. Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

[George K]

@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

[LuFins Dad]

@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

Oh, they still wholeheartedly support them and that support will get even deeper the more the Israeli reacts. The bad guy in their minds is not Hamas for attacking, the bad guy is Israel for not willingly walking into the ocean.

[LuFins Dad]

And that, ultimately, is the biggest difference when weighing the morality of both sides.

[Wim]

@George-K
Replace 'islam' by 'religion'.
Then I can agree.
Remember ' Gott mit uns'...

[Horace]

@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?

[kluurs]

@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

Homogenizing a people does make it easier to do what the Hamas terrorists did - or what Israel with do to the Palestinians or what the Saudi terrorists did on 9/11 - though our nation seemed to have no problem seeing its way to isolating the Saudi terrorists from the rest of that country.

[kluurs]

@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

Homogenizing a people does make it easier to do what the Hamas terrorists did - or what Israel with do to the Palestinians or what the Saudi terrorists did on 9/11 - though our nation seemed to have no problem seeing its way to isolating the Saudi terrorists from the rest of that country. And right now we are in the fog of things. It has been said and seems credible if not yet verifiable, that more than Hamas fighters are involved.

[jon-nyc]

@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:

@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?

50% of the residents are children. Hamas was voted in in 18 years ago this coming January.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:

@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?

50% of the residents are children. Hamas was voted in in 18 years ago this coming January.

So murderous conflict is cemented for another generation. And the existence of Israel is on a timer that ends when nukes are available to terrorists.

[jon-nyc]

I’ve always thought that. You could say the same thing about DC and New York.

Unless technology can save us.

[Jolly]

There is a solution. At least in some part.

Think Carthage

[George K]

Anybody have thoughts as to why Egypt hasn't opened the border to Gaza to let refugees in?

[jon-nyc]

Originally it was to keep them as a thorn in the side of Israel, today it's a little of that plus the fact that they don't want to import a radicalized group like Hamas and 2MM dependents. They have enough of that to deal with already.

[bachophile]

just a short comment.
i dont know if anyone heard Bidens statement today from the WH. worth a listen.
people here were deeply moved.
time for bed for me, i follow the thread but not always up to commenting, the depth of the tragedy is still sinking in

[jon-nyc]

[jon-nyc]

@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

There is a solution. At least in some part.

Think Carthage

I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.

[George K]

@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.

Yes, but how do they do that without significant collateral damage?

I've read that half the population of Gaza is under age 17.

[xenon]

@bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:

just a short comment.
i dont know if anyone heard Bidens statement today from the WH. worth a listen.
people here were deeply moved.
time for bed for me, i follow the thread but not always up to commenting, the depth of the tragedy is still sinking in

I think this is it:

Link to video

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

There is a solution. At least in some part.

Think Carthage

I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.

You forgot sowing the ground with salt.