Hamas attacks Israel

[jon-nyc]

George - those are fair criticisms. Magat twitter didn't have them on hand yesterday, so they resorted to the shit I had to debunk here.

[Jolly]

Maybe their shit was essentially right.

Not that you would admit it.

[jon-nyc]

No, there was no causal connection between the 6B released to the Qatari banks two weeks ago and this. You admitted as much yourself that this has obviously been planned for months.

[Jolly]

I do think it has been planned for months. What I do wonder about, was if the release of the money was enough to flip the switch.

[Horace]

People never make plans based on expectations of future income, nor do they spend money now based on those expectations. Conspiracy theorists may believe otherwise.

[George K]

Things are getting heated up in the North as well.

[Horace]

So this will be one of those “wars” where nearly all of the casualties will be civilian.

[jon-nyc]

IDF says they’re still battling Hamas on Israeli territory.

[jon-nyc]

According to Sec Blinken, the hostages dragged across the border include a holocaust survivor in a wheelchair.

[bachophile]

We are all shell shocked. No other way to describe it.

We need time to digest this.

And there is going to be more to come.

[Renauda]

@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

Another observation...I assume most, if not all of the weapons that Hamas and Hezbollah are using are of Russian manufacture. Following the money, who sold them and where did the funds come from to purchase them?

And I assume the supply of weapons would have been included in a secret protocol attached to a wide ranging ODA (Russian equivalent to USAID) technical assistance programme for the both Palestinian Authority and Hamas. In other words, the financing would have come from Kremlin’s budget for international aid and global mischief. That’s how Moscow conducts itself in the world.

I realise that you really want to make this into a story about the failure of recent US foreign policy. Hate to break it to you, but it’s not all about the US. It’s about Israel and a well planned large scale terrorist attack against it during the last 48 hours. After Israel has secured the situation, only then the hows, why’s and extent of various intelligence failures can be examined.

[Mik]

@bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:

We are all shell shocked. No other way to describe it.

We need time to digest this.

And there is going to be more to come.

Hope you and yours are safe.

On the morning news shows the moderators are still trying to play gotcha with Michael Herzog about how the IDF was taken by surprise. Ghoulish.

[Renauda]

@bachophile

I can only imagine the numbness of the shock. Hopefully things will be secured sooner or later. Main thing is that you and your family are safe.

[Jolly]

@Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:

@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

Another observation...I assume most, if not all of the weapons that Hamas and Hezbollah are using are of Russian manufacture. Following the money, who sold them and where did the funds come from to purchase them?

And I assume the supply of weapons would have been included in a secret protocol attached to a wide ranging ODA (Russian equivalent to USAID) technical assistance programme for the both Palestinian Authority and Hamas. In other words, the financing would have come from Kremlin’s budget for international aid and global mischief. That’s how Moscow conducts itself in the world.

I realise that you really want to make this into a story about the failure of recent US foreign policy. Hate to break it to you, but it’s not all about the US. It’s about Israel and a large scale terrorist attack against it during the last 48 hours. After Israel has secured the situation, only then the hows, why’s and extent of various intelligence failures can be examined.

I don't want to make it into anything. I don't have to. It is a failure of U.S. foreign policy. It is also a failure of Israeli intelligence, something I can't fathom.

Lastly, and this might send you into orbit...Don't be surprised if you find a Ukrainian connection to some of the weapons being used by the Arabs. Weapons paid for by U.S. tax dollars.

[Renauda]

You’re already in orbit why would I want to join you there? I prefer to stay grounded in reality.

[Jolly]

@Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:

You’re already in orbit why would I want to join you there? I prefer to stay grounded in reality.

You don't think there is corruption in Ukraine and a weapons black market?

[Renauda]

Stop being obtuse. And stay on topic, once again you fall back to your preferred tactic of throwing out distractors when your argument is under question.

Of course there’s weapons corruption in Ukraine, no one suggests otherwise.

[Jolly]

I'm not being obtuse. I've been quite plain.

And I can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.

[Renauda]

I sometimes wonder.

[Renauda]

Lawrence Freedman’s analysis of the current situation. A long read but worth the time and effort:

https://open.substack.com/pub/samf/p/hamas-attacks-israel?r=17wfy3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email