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Is shouting at children as harmful as sexual or physical abuse?

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #1

    CNN says "Yes."

    The study, published in the journal Child Abuse & Neglect, reviewed 166 earlier studies to produce a detailed analysis of the existing literature on the topic.

    The authors called for childhood verbal abuse to be ascribed its own category of maltreatment to facilitate prevention.

    Child maltreatment is currently classified into four categories — physical abuse, sexual abuse, emotional abuse, of which verbal abuse is a part, and neglect — and this study can inform strategies for prevention and treatment.

    Unlike other forms of emotional abuse, including indifference, silent treatment and witnessing domestic violence, researchers categorized verbal abuse as more “overt” and said it “warrants special attention.”

    Commissioned by Words Matter — a British charity that aims to improve children’s health by ending verbal abuse — the study was carried out by researchers at Wingate University in North Carolina and University College London.

    “Childhood verbal abuse desperately needs to be acknowledged as an abuse subtype because of the lifelong negative consequences,” said professor Shanta Dube, the study’s lead author and director of Wingate University’s Master of Public Health Program, in a statement.

    The study, which studied the impact of shouting by adults such as parents, teachers and coaches, cited several papers that suggested the lasting effects of childhood verbal abuse can manifest as mental distress, such as depression and anger; externalizing symptoms, such as committing crimes, substance use or perpetrating abuse; and physical health outcomes, such as developing obesity or lung disease.

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    • MikM Offline
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      #2

      Yes, there is verbal abuse, and it can manifest itself in lifelong ways. Trying to establish a hierarchy of which form of abuse is worst is a fool's errand. They're all bad and to be avoided.

      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #3

        Barking at your kids when they are out of line is not abuse. More like tough love and a wake up call to reality, but not abuse.

        Elbows up!

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
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          #4

          Agreed. Volume and tone are important indicators of seriousness, not abuse. But there is verbal abuse that is much more directed at the kid himself.

          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
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            #5

            That’s true. Still though when little Prince or Princess pushes mom or dad beyond a certain point sometimes words can get a little testy if not outright cutting to the bone.

            I have never been one to subscribe to the notion that little Johnny turned out bad because his father beat him up or his mother berated him as a kid.

            Elbows up!

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              That’s true. Still though when little Prince or Princess pushes mom or dad beyond a certain point sometimes words can get a little testy if not outright cutting to the bone.

              I have never been one to subscribe to the notion that little Johnny turned out bad because his father beat him up or his mother berated him as a kid.

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              Aqua Letifer
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              #6

              @Renauda said in Is shouting at children as harmful as sexual or physical abuse?:

              I have never been one to subscribe to the notion that little Johnny turned out bad because his father beat him up or his mother berated him as a kid.

              I do. But I don't think it's direct like that.

              Kids can go off course. But what rights the ship is going to be different for every kid. So when little Johnny turns out bad, it's not necessarily because his dad beat him up (although that does complicate things). It could be because his folks didn't have the emotional intelligence necessary to know the right ropes to pull or fasten to help right the ship. Sure, there's nothing you can do with a kid who doesn't want to be helped, sociopathy exists, etc. But knowing the right approach or being willing to learn can greatly improve the odds.

              Please love yourself.

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              • MikM Offline
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                #7

                My top principles are:

                1. Make sure my kid had something to lose if our relationship soured. That usually takes the form of some pursuit they love and your wholehearted emotional and financial support of it.

                2. Keep that kid busy with positive activities As is said, idle hands are the devil's playground. I know this from my free-range youth, which was great up until I started hanging around in town rather than out in the country subdivision where we lived. That's when you have to start really watching them.

                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                • MikM Mik

                  My top principles are:

                  1. Make sure my kid had something to lose if our relationship soured. That usually takes the form of some pursuit they love and your wholehearted emotional and financial support of it.

                  2. Keep that kid busy with positive activities As is said, idle hands are the devil's playground. I know this from my free-range youth, which was great up until I started hanging around in town rather than out in the country subdivision where we lived. That's when you have to start really watching them.

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                  Aqua Letifer
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                  @Mik said in Is shouting at children as harmful as sexual or physical abuse?:

                  My top principles are:

                  1. Make sure my kid had something to lose if our relationship soured. That usually takes the form of some pursuit they love and your wholehearted emotional and financial support of it.

                  2. Keep that kid busy with positive activities As is said, idle hands are the devil's playground. I know this from my free-range youth, which was great up until I started hanging around in town rather than out in the country subdivision where we lived. That's when you have to start really watching them.

                  Good, practical, effective.

                  Please love yourself.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
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                    #9

                    Of course, I can claim she turned out well and I was a great father, but the truth is she was more like her mother than I in those ways. She HATES to be in trouble. For me, it was just the cost of doing business. If you are breaking every possible rule all day every day, you're going to get nailed for some small percentage of transgressions. It never affected me emotionally at all. I was terrified she'd be more like me.

                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                    • MikM Mik

                      Of course, I can claim she turned out well and I was a great father, but the truth is she was more like her mother than I in those ways. She HATES to be in trouble. For me, it was just the cost of doing business. If you are breaking every possible rule all day every day, you're going to get nailed for some small percentage of transgressions. It never affected me emotionally at all. I was terrified she'd be more like me.

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                      @Mik said in Is shouting at children as harmful as sexual or physical abuse?:

                      Of course, I can claim she turned out well and I was a great father, but the truth is she was more like her mother than I in those ways. She HATES to be in trouble. For me, it was just the cost of doing business. If you are breaking every possible rule all day every day, you're going to get nailed for some small percentage of transgressions. It never affected me emotionally at all. I was terrified she'd be more like me.

                      Shit, for me, getting in trouble was half the point sometimes. The ideal I constantly chased was to get caught doing the dumb shit in which the entire point of it was to get caught, and then get away entirely with the heavy stuff.

                      Please love yourself.

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                        Short and sweet...Anytime CNN wants to pay to raise my grandkids, let me know what to pack. I expect all expenses, through their bachelor's degree, paid.

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                        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                          @Renauda said in Is shouting at children as harmful as sexual or physical abuse?:

                          I have never been one to subscribe to the notion that little Johnny turned out bad because his father beat him up or his mother berated him as a kid.

                          I do. But I don't think it's direct like that.

                          Kids can go off course. But what rights the ship is going to be different for every kid. So when little Johnny turns out bad, it's not necessarily because his dad beat him up (although that does complicate things). It could be because his folks didn't have the emotional intelligence necessary to know the right ropes to pull or fasten to help right the ship. Sure, there's nothing you can do with a kid who doesn't want to be helped, sociopathy exists, etc. But knowing the right approach or being willing to learn can greatly improve the odds.

                          CopperC Offline
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                          Copper
                          wrote on last edited by
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                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Is shouting at children as harmful as sexual or physical abuse?:

                          I do.

                          Yes, of course.

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                          • HoraceH Offline
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                            Horace
                            wrote on last edited by
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                            My favorite point about parenting that I've heard from people who're familiar with the social science data, such that it is, is that parenting doesn't actually matter, beyond the presence of love and the absence of abuse.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • CopperC Copper

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Is shouting at children as harmful as sexual or physical abuse?:

                              I do.

                              Yes, of course.

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                              Aqua Letifer
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                              @Copper said in Is shouting at children as harmful as sexual or physical abuse?:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Is shouting at children as harmful as sexual or physical abuse?:

                              I do.

                              Yes, of course.

                              Care to elaborate?

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • MikM Mik

                                Yes, there is verbal abuse, and it can manifest itself in lifelong ways. Trying to establish a hierarchy of which form of abuse is worst is a fool's errand. They're all bad and to be avoided.

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                                brenda
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                                #15

                                @Mik Absolutely correct. Mik.

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                                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                  @Copper said in Is shouting at children as harmful as sexual or physical abuse?:

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Is shouting at children as harmful as sexual or physical abuse?:

                                  I do.

                                  Yes, of course.

                                  Care to elaborate?

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                                  Copper
                                  wrote on last edited by
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                                  @Aqua-Letifer

                                  I do not reject the notion that little Johnny turned out bad because his father beat him up or his mother berated him as a kid.

                                  Other reasons also exist.

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