Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?

[Mik]

@Jolly said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

@Mik said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

@Jolly said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

The MAGATs, as y'all so gleefully call them, are a third, maybe more, of the party.

Go ahead, piss 'em off.

Enjoy the Biden Death Watch for four more years

With all due respect, the more extreme third of the party just went a long way toward assuring that very result.

Then write them off.

Enjoy!

No need to get snippy. We’re not so far apart, but my way or the highway just doesn’t fly in this nation. This was a tantrum and makes the GOP look unable to govern responsibly. Huge unforced error.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

@Jolly said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

Then write them off.

Enjoy!

Have the MAGA folks shown any inclination whatsoever to compromise?

Why should the 70% kowtow to the 30%?

Because without that 30%, you're not getting elected President or getting elected to any national office in many districts or states.

[Mik]

“What kind of girl do you think I am?”.

“We’ve already established that. We’re only haggling over price.”.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

Because without that 30%, you're not getting elected President or getting elected to any national office in many districts or states.

They act like spoilt, petulant children, and the rest of the party is supposed to blow them? They shriek about election fraud with precious little evidence, they kick people out who dare to work with the other side of the aisle, they refuse to compromise?

Does it occur to you that maybe they're the bad guys here?

Link to video

[taiwan_girl]

@Jolly said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

Because without that 30%, you're not getting elected President or getting elected to any national office in many districts or states.

But if the 30% continues to act like they have been, then history will repeat itself.

No "red wave" in Congress
No Republic President
etc.

[taiwan_girl]

@George-K said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

Trump could be Speaker....

Maybe not.

https://www.gop.gov/conference-rules-of-the-118th-congress/

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Rule 26—Temporary Step Aside of a Member of Leadership who is Indicted

(a) A member of the Republican Leadership shall step aside if indicted for a felony for which a sentence of two or more years imprisonment may be imposed.

(b) If a member of the Republican Elected Leadership is indicted, the Republican Conference shall meet and elect a Member to temporarily serve in that position.

(c) If a member of the Republican Leadership resigns pursuant to this rule, and subsequently during that Congress is acquitted or the charges are dismissed or reduced to less than a felony as described in paragraph (a), such Member shall resume the position from which they resigned, unless the Republican Conference decides otherwise within 10 legislative days.

[George K]

@taiwan_girl said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

Maybe not.

https://www.gop.gov/conference-rules-of-the-118th-congress/

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Rule 26—Temporary Step Aside of a Member of Leadership who is Indicted

(a) A member of the Republican Leadership shall step aside if indicted for a felony for which a sentence of two or more years imprisonment may be imposed.

Thanks for that. Interesting that it's just the indictment, not actual conviction.

[Axtremus]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mccarthy-dems-save-gop-save-house-analysis/story?id=103736683

An article on what could have been had McCarthy or the GOP is more open to bipartisanship. In there is also a list of bills with broad bipartisan support (have many co-sponsors from both major parties) that are not getting to the floor because of partisanship.

[Jolly]

Funny, I don't remember you being worried about bipartisanship when Pelosi was speaker.

Must of missed it.

[Axtremus]

There was no worry about the House causing a federal government default or federal government shutdown when Pelosi was speaker. With or without bipartisanship, the House Democrats know how to govern. The same cannot be said of the House Republicans in light of recent history. House Republicans, when they have the majority in the House, cannot be trusted to be left to their own devices. Bipartisanship or non-partisanship is sorely needed by the House Republicans.

[George K]

@Axtremus said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

Bipartisanship or non-partisanship is sorely needed to by the House Republican.

Remind me, how many Democrats voted to retain McCarthy?

[Axtremus]

@George-K said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

@Axtremus said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

Bipartisanship or non-partisanship is sorely needed to by the House Republican.

Remind me, how many Democrats voted to retain McCarthy?

Zero Democrat voted to retain McCarthy.

Do you think that fact supports or undermines my thesis that "bipartisanship or non-partisanship is sorely needed by the House Republicans"?

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

@George-K said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

@Axtremus said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

Bipartisanship or non-partisanship is sorely needed to by the House Republican.

Remind me, how many Democrats voted to retain McCarthy?

Zero Democrat voted to retain McCarthy.

Do you think that fact supports or undermines my thesis that "bipartisanship or non-partisanship is sorely needed by the House Republicans"?

Mr. Pedantic, you knew exactly what George meant. Why don't you just answer the question?

[George K]

Why are the Democrats so hell-bent on stopping the business of governing the country? Only 8-10 would have prevented this. But they voted party over nation, again.

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

... you knew exactly what George meant. Why don't you just answer the question?

1. I am not obligated to speculate on what else George might mean outside of his written words.

2. I have already answered George's question.

[George K]

@Axtremus said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

@Jolly said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

... you knew exactly what George meant. Why don't you just answer the question?

1. I am not obligated to speculate on what else George might mean outside of his written words.

2. I have already answered George's question.

That's the Ax-iest thing I've read in a long time.

[Jolly]

@George-K said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

@Axtremus said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

@Jolly said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

... you knew exactly what George meant. Why don't you just answer the question?

1. I am not obligated to speculate on what else George might mean outside of his written words.

2. I have already answered George's question.

That's the Ax-iest thing I've read in a long time.

Yep, complete and utter obfuscating bullshit.

[Axtremus]

@George-K said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

Why are the Democrats so hell-bent on stopping the business of governing the country?

It's the House Democrats who provided the necessary votes that averted a federal government shutdown. The Senate Democrats and the Democratic White House are also doing their part in continuing to govern.

Only 8-10 would have prevented this. But they voted party over nation, again.

Only 8-10 votes from the House Republicans could have joined the House Democrats to elect a Speaker not beholden to the tantrums of the likes of Gaetz. That could have, and still can, lead to a more functional House of Representatives. That would be good service to the nation.

[George K]

@Axtremus said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

It's the House Democrats who provided the necessary votes that averted a federal government shutdown. The Senate Democrats and the Democratic White House are also doing their part in continuing to govern.

And yet, to a man, they voted to remove McCarthy. How does this mean that they want to govern? A bipartisan approach would have kept him in office. At least 8 brave GOP representatives broke with the ranks of their party and allied with the Democrats to forward their vision. That's bipartisanship.

Only 8-10 votes from the House Republicans Democrats could have joined the House Democrats Republicans to elect a Speaker not beholden to the tantrums of the likes of Gaetz. That could have, and still can, lead to a more functional House of Representatives. That would be good service to the nation.

FIFY

[Axtremus]

@George-K said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

@Axtremus said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

It's the House Democrats who provided the necessary votes that averted a federal government shutdown. The Senate Democrats and the Democratic White House are also doing their part in continuing to govern.

And yet, to a man, they voted to remove McCarthy. How does this mean that they want to govern? A bipartisan approach would have kept him in office. At least 8 brave GOP representatives broke with the ranks of their party and allied with the Democrats to forward their vision. That's bipartisanship.

1. McCarthy could have cut a deal with the House Democrats when he first ran for Speaker; that could have been bipartisan. McCarthy didn't, instead he gave in to the demands of Gaetz et al., thus sewn the seed of his own destruction. BAD.

2. McCarthy cut a deal with the Democrats to raise the debt ceiling; that's bipartisan, that saved the federal government from default. GOOD!

3. McCarthy put up a funding bill sufficiently palatable for the House Democrats to support; that's bipartisanship, that averted a government shutdown. GOOD!

4. McCarthy could have cut a deal with the House Democrats to save his Speakership. McCarthy chose not to, that's not bipartisanship. The result is a House without a Speaker. BAD.

Maybe you expect the Democrats to simply support McCarthy without getting anything in return. But that would be all "give" and no "take" on one side. All give and no take on one side is not bipartisanship.

Only 8-10 votes from the House Republicans Democrats could have joined the House Democrats Republicans to elect a Speaker not beholden to the tantrums of the likes of Gaetz. That could have, and still can, lead to a more functional House of Representatives. That would be good service to the nation.

FIFY

Indeed your version may work too, see points #1 and #4 and the paragraph right below point #4 above.