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25% of 2020 Maricopa County Mail-in Ballots Had No Signature Match

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  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

    @Axtremus said in 25% of 2020 Maricopa County Mail-in Ballots Had No Signature Match:

    @George-K said in 25% of 2020 Maricopa County Mail-in Ballots Had No Signature Match:

    …
    These were dismissed for lack of standing:

    Gohmert et al. v. Pence
    Texas v. Pennsylvania et al.
    Bowyer v. Ducey
    Burk v. Ducey
    Wisconsin Voters Alliance et al. v. Pence et al
    Wood v. Raffensperger
    Pearson v. Kemp
    Favorito et al. v. Fulton County et al.

    8 out of 60 is but a small fraction of all the lawsuits.
    And it does not appear that Trump is party to any of those 8 lawsuits.
    Want standing? If Trump is committed enough to make himself a party to those lawsuits, maybe standing would not have been an issue.

    8/60 is a small fraction? Since that translates to 13.5%, then I guess you feel that the Asian American Community is less than even a small fraction of the US?

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    @LuFins-Dad said in 25% of 2020 Maricopa County Mail-in Ballots Had No Signature Match:

    … I guess you feel that the Asian American Community is less than even a small fraction of the US?

    Indeed I do.

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      Then the piano industry just needs to shut it down now…

      The Brad

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        #14

        Most of the ones the Trump team brought were dismissed for lack of evidence.

        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          Then the piano industry just needs to shut it down now…

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          #15

          @LuFins-Dad said in 25% of 2020 Maricopa County Mail-in Ballots Had No Signature Match:

          Then the piano industry just needs to shut it down now…

          Not going to talk you out of making backup plans if you see some writing on the wall after realizing that your industry and livelihood depend on a small fraction of the general population in this country. Then again, there is no lack of other industries that thrive on serving small fractions of populations. For example, the “infants” market (“infants” makes up only a small fraction of the general population), the “ultra luxury goods” market (the “ultra-rich” makes up only a small fraction of the general population), pharmaceuticals for rare diseases (by definition only a small fraction of people are afflicted by “rare diseases”), so as a matter of choosing a market for your business, “small fraction of the general population” by itself need not be a death knell.

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            So...What is the allowable percentage of fraud in an election?

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              So...What is the allowable percentage of fraud in an election?

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              @Jolly said in 25% of 2020 Maricopa County Mail-in Ballots Had No Signature Match:

              So...What is the allowable percentage of fraud in an election?

              “Allowable” as a matter of policy preference? Zero.

              “Tolerable” as a measure of limit on the resiliency of our republic? Definitively greater than zero or the we would not have this republic today.

              You can also ask the same question about “voting rights violations” and the same answers would also apply.

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                #18

                Not knowing what "lack of standing" meant, I went to

                https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/standing

                the Supreme Court created a three-part test to determine whether a party has standing to sue:

                1. The plaintiff must have suffered an "injury in fact," meaning that the injury is of a legally protected interest which is (a) concrete and particularized and (b) actual or imminent
                2. There must be a causal connection between the injury and the conduct brought before the court
                3. It must be likely, rather than speculative, that a favorable decision by the court will redress the injury

                So, it appears that as @jon-nyc said, it is very possible that the cases were dismissed because there was just no evidence

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                  One could make the argument that a fraudulent election result constitutes injury in fact to every American.

                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                    Not knowing what "lack of standing" meant, I went to

                    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/standing

                    the Supreme Court created a three-part test to determine whether a party has standing to sue:

                    1. The plaintiff must have suffered an "injury in fact," meaning that the injury is of a legally protected interest which is (a) concrete and particularized and (b) actual or imminent
                    2. There must be a causal connection between the injury and the conduct brought before the court
                    3. It must be likely, rather than speculative, that a favorable decision by the court will redress the injury

                    So, it appears that as @jon-nyc said, it is very possible that the cases were dismissed because there was just no evidence

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                    @taiwan_girl said in 25% of 2020 Maricopa County Mail-in Ballots Had No Signature Match:

                    So, it appears that as @jon-nyc said, it is very possible that the cases were dismissed because there was just no evidence

                    There's a difference. "Standing" means you have a stake in the case. If I were to sue an election official in Detroit, the case would be dismissed because I live in the Chicago area. I have no standing.

                    Even if I produced tons of evidence that fraud had occurred, the case would be dismissed on the basis of standing.

                    OTOH, if I sued an official in Chicago because someone told me that things were...interesting, I would be required to provide evidence. I have standing, but without showing something to indicate fraud, it would be dismissed out-of-hand.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @taiwan_girl said in 25% of 2020 Maricopa County Mail-in Ballots Had No Signature Match:

                      So, it appears that as @jon-nyc said, it is very possible that the cases were dismissed because there was just no evidence

                      There's a difference. "Standing" means you have a stake in the case. If I were to sue an election official in Detroit, the case would be dismissed because I live in the Chicago area. I have no standing.

                      Even if I produced tons of evidence that fraud had occurred, the case would be dismissed on the basis of standing.

                      OTOH, if I sued an official in Chicago because someone told me that things were...interesting, I would be required to provide evidence. I have standing, but without showing something to indicate fraud, it would be dismissed out-of-hand.

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                      @George-K Ahh okay! Thanks!! 😘

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