Working Remote
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I don't think people should have to work from home. What would be good is to give employees some flexibility, and for employees to do the same thing for their managers. The last thing I want is to work 5 days a week from home. Compromise is a great idea.
Another great idea for managers is to treat people like adults. If you assume that everybody who's working from home is screwing off, and talk to them in the way that Cruz did in that clip, then guess what, it's going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. They're going to think you're a twat, and act accordingly.
I do appreciate that the clip is really just theatre. Still, I wouldn't want to work for that guy.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Working Remote:
Another great idea for managers is to treat people like adults.
I don't think it's that, necessarily.
I've personally found that exceptions aside, technical skill diminishes drastically the higher up the org chart you go. What this means is that the more senior someone is, the more likely they are to: (1) be in a position to decide what the remote work policy should be, and (2) not have the technical skills required to know how a remote team could possibly be led effectively.
Just a guess but I'd put some money on it.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Working Remote:
Another great idea for managers is to treat people like adults.
I don't think it's that, necessarily.
I've personally found that exceptions aside, technical skill diminishes drastically the higher up the org chart you go. What this means is that the more senior someone is, the more likely they are to: (1) be in a position to decide what the remote work policy should be, and (2) not have the technical skills required to know how a remote team could possibly be led effectively.
Just a guess but I'd put some money on it.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Working Remote:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Working Remote:
Another great idea for managers is to treat people like adults.
I don't think it's that, necessarily.
I've personally found that exceptions aside, technical skill diminishes drastically the higher up the org chart you go. What this means is that the more senior someone is, the more likely they are to: (1) be in a position to decide what the remote work policy should be, and (2) not have the technical skills required to know how a remote team could possibly be led effectively.
Just a guess but I'd put some money on it.
Our senior management tends to be pretty technically savvy, they've generally worked their way up from being engineers. Still, they inevitably get removed from the day-to-day stuff.
The converse of what you're saying, which is of course true, is that the folks in the trenches often don't see the bigger picture. We see the pointless office attendance and the lights going out in the corridor, but maybe we don't see the other departments with a lot of new hires who are struggling because there's a lack of in-person training and mentoring.
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Cruz should focus less on where federal employees work and more on making it easier to fire them. I’ve heard of so many incredible stories of incompetence and yet the government makes it nearly impossible to hold employees accountable. Oh how much the taxpayers would save if supervisors had the ability to get rid of the counterproductive HR bloat.
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@Jolly said in Working Remote:
Texas is unique in having its own power grid and there isn't a fucking thing he could have done.
He could have, oh I don’t know, organized volunteer help for the elderly and infirm.
@jon-nyc said in Working Remote:
@Jolly said in Working Remote:
Texas is unique in having its own power grid and there isn't a fucking thing he could have done.
He could have, oh I don’t know, organized volunteer help for the elderly and infirm.
Sure.
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Cruz should focus less on where federal employees work and more on making it easier to fire them. I’ve heard of so many incredible stories of incompetence and yet the government makes it nearly impossible to hold employees accountable. Oh how much the taxpayers would save if supervisors had the ability to get rid of the counterproductive HR bloat.
@89th said in Working Remote:
Cruz should focus less on where federal employees work and more on making it easier to fire them. I’ve heard of so many incredible stories of incompetence and yet the government makes it nearly impossible to hold employees accountable. Oh how much the taxpayers would save if supervisors had the ability to get rid of the counterproductive HR bloat.
Local VA has two incompetent employees in a particular department, that are so bad, they compromise patient care. After administration tried and failed to sack them, they have been "reassigned" to clerical tasks. The union is quite strong at this VA, in addition to regular civil service protection.
So they show up five days a week, shuffle some meaningless papers, create reports nobody reads and play on the computer most of the day. But they are still in the organizational chart of the department that dumped them and that's the routing department for their paycheck. They'll never be promoted, unless they take a job at another VA (common in government jobs to shuffle your problem children elsewhere), but they are now effectively walled off.
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Ha, funny you mention the VA. My wife worked for that dept (less on healthcare, more on vocational and educational services) and that is exactly what I was thinking of when I made my comment. She had (black) coworkers make anti-white racist comments, other coworkers commit fraud, and many other things that would get you booted in a second in a corporate job, but nope... no way the administration can ever go after them. It's infuriating.
I guess one employee did face the music once, this is someone who worked a few doors away from my wife. The office knew what he was doing and only when his crimes became bad enough was he prosecuted. I'm not exaggerating. They all suspected he was sending veterans to quasi-fake schools in order to get kick backs (bribes) from that school: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-veterans-affairs-official-sentenced-11-years-prison-2-million-bribery-scheme
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The more I think about this the more I realize this is a big effin deal. Cruz is absolutely right but his argument is wrong. This has absolutely nothing to do with private companies and employees.
This is the Federal Government. The Federal Government’s business MUST be conducted on Federal property using Federal equipment and resources. There needs to be transparency and accountability from all Federal employees no matter the level. I don’t care if you are simply web designer for the IRS, you need to walk past me and my friends standing in front of the entrance flipping you and the building off. Plus, all of your work and materials are public property and need to be accessible.
There is waaaaayyyy too much opportunity for malfeasance with these people working from their own homes.
The Brad
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Yeah, this is a full stop unless these employees would like to have their private addresses made available for FOIA requests and audits. Plus agree to allow protests outside of their residence.
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The more I think about this the more I realize this is a big effin deal. Cruz is absolutely right but his argument is wrong. This has absolutely nothing to do with private companies and employees.
This is the Federal Government. The Federal Government’s business MUST be conducted on Federal property using Federal equipment and resources. There needs to be transparency and accountability from all Federal employees no matter the level. I don’t care if you are simply web designer for the IRS, you need to walk past me and my friends standing in front of the entrance flipping you and the building off. Plus, all of your work and materials are public property and need to be accessible.
There is waaaaayyyy too much opportunity for malfeasance with these people working from their own homes.
@LuFins-Dad said in Working Remote:
The more I think about this the more I realize this is a big effin deal. Cruz is absolutely right but his argument is wrong. This has absolutely nothing to do with private companies and employees.
This is the Federal Government. The Federal Government’s business MUST be conducted on Federal property using Federal equipment and resources. There needs to be transparency and accountability from all Federal employees no matter the level. I don’t care if you are simply web designer for the IRS, you need to walk past me and my friends standing in front of the entrance flipping you and the building off. Plus, all of your work and materials are public property and need to be accessible.
There is waaaaayyyy too much opportunity for malfeasance with these people working from their own homes.
Good points.
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We just told we're going back to working in the office 5 days a week, as of 11/6.
Ah well, it was good while it lasted. They're spending stupid money on a new building, they probably want somebody to work in it, after all.
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We just told we're going back to working in the office 5 days a week, as of 11/6.
Ah well, it was good while it lasted. They're spending stupid money on a new building, they probably want somebody to work in it, after all.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Working Remote:
We just told we're going back to working in the office 5 days a week, as of 11/6.
You knew this was coming, didn't you?
How long will your commute be, again?
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The more I think about this the more I realize this is a big effin deal. Cruz is absolutely right but his argument is wrong. This has absolutely nothing to do with private companies and employees.
This is the Federal Government. The Federal Government’s business MUST be conducted on Federal property using Federal equipment and resources. There needs to be transparency and accountability from all Federal employees no matter the level. I don’t care if you are simply web designer for the IRS, you need to walk past me and my friends standing in front of the entrance flipping you and the building off. Plus, all of your work and materials are public property and need to be accessible.
There is waaaaayyyy too much opportunity for malfeasance with these people working from their own homes.
@LuFins-Dad said in Working Remote:
The more I think about this the more I realize this is a big effin deal. Cruz is absolutely right but his argument is wrong. This has absolutely nothing to do with private companies and employees.
This is the Federal Government. The Federal Government’s business MUST be conducted on Federal property using Federal equipment and resources. There needs to be transparency and accountability from all Federal employees no matter the level. I don’t care if you are simply web designer for the IRS, you need to walk past me and my friends standing in front of the entrance flipping you and the building off. Plus, all of your work and materials are public property and need to be accessible.
There is waaaaayyyy too much opportunity for malfeasance with these people working from their own homes.
No, this is not realistic. Federal employees are known to routinely work remotely in many capacities and in many instances (e.g., FBI field agents, ATF agents, Secret Service agents, CIA agents, military field operatives). Federal government also contract out federal work to contractors not working in federal buildings, some are oversees not even on US soil. The demand that all federal work be done only inside federal buildings is just silly.
And how soon you forget, a pandemic recently forced almost the entire working population that could to "work from home." The US government needs to be able to survive this sort of crisis, and the last pandemic may not be the last one. Working remotely is one way to up the chance of survival.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Working Remote:
We just told we're going back to working in the office 5 days a week, as of 11/6.
You knew this was coming, didn't you?
How long will your commute be, again?
@George-K said in Working Remote:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Working Remote:
We just told we're going back to working in the office 5 days a week, as of 11/6.
You knew this was coming, didn't you?
How long will your commute be, again?
I've been working 5 days a week since March.
My main office is normally 35 miles away, but they're knocking it down, and they're putting us in a temporary place which is 5 miles, and about 20 minutes, further away, which is a royal PITA.
There is another office 15 miles from where I live, about 25 minutes very relaxing drive along country roads, and it's lovely - right out in the middle of nowhere, close to the Rhode Island/Connecticut border - we own hundreds of acres of woodland out there, don't ask me why. I've been going there, but I don't think I'll be able to justify it once my team are all back.
I was only joking
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@LuFins-Dad said in Working Remote:
The more I think about this the more I realize this is a big effin deal. Cruz is absolutely right but his argument is wrong. This has absolutely nothing to do with private companies and employees.
This is the Federal Government. The Federal Government’s business MUST be conducted on Federal property using Federal equipment and resources. There needs to be transparency and accountability from all Federal employees no matter the level. I don’t care if you are simply web designer for the IRS, you need to walk past me and my friends standing in front of the entrance flipping you and the building off. Plus, all of your work and materials are public property and need to be accessible.
There is waaaaayyyy too much opportunity for malfeasance with these people working from their own homes.
No, this is not realistic. Federal employees are known to routinely work remotely in many capacities and in many instances (e.g., FBI field agents, ATF agents, Secret Service agents, CIA agents, military field operatives). Federal government also contract out federal work to contractors not working in federal buildings, some are oversees not even on US soil. The demand that all federal work be done only inside federal buildings is just silly.
And how soon you forget, a pandemic recently forced almost the entire working population that could to "work from home." The US government needs to be able to survive this sort of crisis, and the last pandemic may not be the last one. Working remotely is one way to up the chance of survival.
@Axtremus said in Working Remote:
@LuFins-Dad said in Working Remote:
The more I think about this the more I realize this is a big effin deal. Cruz is absolutely right but his argument is wrong. This has absolutely nothing to do with private companies and employees.
This is the Federal Government. The Federal Government’s business MUST be conducted on Federal property using Federal equipment and resources. There needs to be transparency and accountability from all Federal employees no matter the level. I don’t care if you are simply web designer for the IRS, you need to walk past me and my friends standing in front of the entrance flipping you and the building off. Plus, all of your work and materials are public property and need to be accessible.
There is waaaaayyyy too much opportunity for malfeasance with these people working from their own homes.
No, this is not realistic. Federal employees are known to routinely work remotely in many capacities and in many instances (e.g., FBI field agents, ATF agents, Secret Service agents, CIA agents, military field operatives). Federal government also contract out federal work to contractors not working in federal buildings, some are oversees not even on US soil. The demand that all federal work be done only inside federal buildings is just silly.
And how soon you forget, a pandemic recently forced almost the entire working population that could to "work from home." The US government needs to be able to survive this sort of crisis, and the last pandemic may not be the last one. Working remotely is one way to up the chance of survival.
The U.S. Government does not care.
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@George-K said in Working Remote:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Working Remote:
We just told we're going back to working in the office 5 days a week, as of 11/6.
You knew this was coming, didn't you?
How long will your commute be, again?
I've been working 5 days a week since March.
My main office is normally 35 miles away, but they're knocking it down, and they're putting us in a temporary place which is 5 miles, and about 20 minutes, further away, which is a royal PITA.
There is another office 15 miles from where I live, about 25 minutes very relaxing drive along country roads, and it's lovely - right out in the middle of nowhere, close to the Rhode Island/Connecticut border - we own hundreds of acres of woodland out there, don't ask me why. I've been going there, but I don't think I'll be able to justify it once my team are all back.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Working Remote:
There is another office 15 miles from where I live, about 25 minutes very relaxing drive along country roads, and it's lovely - right out in the middle of nowhere, close to the Rhode Island/Connecticut border - we own hundreds of acres of woodland out there, don't ask me why. I've been going there, but I don't think I'll be able to justify it once my team are all back.
I used to take routes that were 5-10 minutes longer but much more peaceful. Was way better for my mental health than being stuck on the beltway.
Is there anyone on your team talking about quitting now that remote work is over? I know someone who's been working remotely and their team is talking about quitting now that they are being required back in the office for... shocker... 3 days a week.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Working Remote:
There is another office 15 miles from where I live, about 25 minutes very relaxing drive along country roads, and it's lovely - right out in the middle of nowhere, close to the Rhode Island/Connecticut border - we own hundreds of acres of woodland out there, don't ask me why. I've been going there, but I don't think I'll be able to justify it once my team are all back.
I used to take routes that were 5-10 minutes longer but much more peaceful. Was way better for my mental health than being stuck on the beltway.
Is there anyone on your team talking about quitting now that remote work is over? I know someone who's been working remotely and their team is talking about quitting now that they are being required back in the office for... shocker... 3 days a week.
@89th said in Working Remote:
Is there anyone on your team talking about quitting now that remote work is over? I know someone who's been working remotely and their team is talking about quitting now that they are being required back in the office for... shocker... 3 days a week.
Depending on the reasoning behind the mandatory return to the office, that could be a very smart move.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Working Remote:
There is another office 15 miles from where I live, about 25 minutes very relaxing drive along country roads, and it's lovely - right out in the middle of nowhere, close to the Rhode Island/Connecticut border - we own hundreds of acres of woodland out there, don't ask me why. I've been going there, but I don't think I'll be able to justify it once my team are all back.
I used to take routes that were 5-10 minutes longer but much more peaceful. Was way better for my mental health than being stuck on the beltway.
Is there anyone on your team talking about quitting now that remote work is over? I know someone who's been working remotely and their team is talking about quitting now that they are being required back in the office for... shocker... 3 days a week.
@89th said in Working Remote:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Working Remote:
I used to take routes that were 5-10 minutes longer but much more peaceful. Was way better for my mental health than being stuck on the beltway.
I do that a lot, especially driving back and forth to Chicago. Taking US 52 to US 41 was about 15 minutes longer, but much better than 3 hours on the white knuckle I65 between Indy and Chicago. Four lane highway, virtually no traffic at all. Better scenery.
Driving to Madison and back I'd skip going through Chicago, instead going through Champaign-Urbana, Bloomington IL and Rockford. Again, very little traffic. A few minutes longer, but much more enjoyable.
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It's interesting that you guys have such options when driving. Not so much here. Get off track, you're on a road where one-way bridges are still standing, and the alternate takes hours longer. And, wrong time of year, dangerous. We're not that much in the boonies, but there hasn't been much built around Portland since when I was a kid, and of course no beltway.
