That might be stretching things a bit...
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@Renauda said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
The Hollow Crown had the wife of Henry VI, Margaret of Anjou, played by the Jewish black actress with a distinct London accent, Sophie Okonedo. Margaret in real life was French and probably would have struggled to understand any English.
Okonedo despite her accent was superb in the role.
But should we?
Would not a French actress been a better casting decision?
@Jolly said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
Would not a French actress been a better casting decision?
So, gay and straight characters should only be played by gay and straight actors respectively?
Jews should only be played by Jews.
Hitler should only be played by Austrians, and so on?
There's a reason they call it acting.
I was only joking
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@Aqua-Letifer said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
Pretty weak counter-argument, though. Maybe we just shouldn't do it?
My point was that the people complaining so loudly about how awful all this wokeness is were typically pretty quiet about Jesus being made to look like a honky.
Google 'Movie portrayals of Jesus', and show me which ones are realistic based on our current knowledge.
If memory serves, there were more complaints about Santa Claus being depicted as being black, and he's a totally made up person.
@Doctor-Phibes said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
@Aqua-Letifer said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
Pretty weak counter-argument, though. Maybe we just shouldn't do it?
My point was that the people complaining so loudly about how awful all this wokeness is were typically pretty quiet about Jesus being made to look like a honky.
Not I. I always found white Jesus hilarious. So do quite a few other people.
Google 'Movie portrayals of Jesus', and show me which ones are realistic based on our current knowledge.
What does that have to do with black Romans? Is your metric for historical accuracy relative to other people's screwups?
If memory serves, there were more complaints about Santa Claus being depicted as being black, and he's a totally made up person.
So's Māui. By that logic, It'd make total sense for Toby McGuire to play him in a Moana live-action. I don't buy into the idea that his being made-up has anything to do with it.
Please love yourself.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
@Aqua-Letifer said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
Pretty weak counter-argument, though. Maybe we just shouldn't do it?
My point was that the people complaining so loudly about how awful all this wokeness is were typically pretty quiet about Jesus being made to look like a honky.
Not I. I always found white Jesus hilarious. So do quite a few other people.
Google 'Movie portrayals of Jesus', and show me which ones are realistic based on our current knowledge.
What does that have to do with black Romans? Is your metric for historical accuracy relative to other people's screwups?
If memory serves, there were more complaints about Santa Claus being depicted as being black, and he's a totally made up person.
So's Māui. By that logic, It'd make total sense for Toby McGuire to play him in a Moana live-action. I don't buy into the idea that his being made-up has anything to do with it.
@Aqua-Letifer said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
What does that have to do with black Romans? Is your metric for historical accuracy relative to other people's screwups?
I suspect there probably were black Romans. It's the Britons they were complaining about.
Speaking as a Briton, I think you should mind your own business.
I was only joking
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@Doctor-Phibes said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
@Aqua-Letifer said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
Pretty weak counter-argument, though. Maybe we just shouldn't do it?
My point was that the people complaining so loudly about how awful all this wokeness is were typically pretty quiet about Jesus being made to look like a honky.
Not I. I always found white Jesus hilarious. So do quite a few other people.
Google 'Movie portrayals of Jesus', and show me which ones are realistic based on our current knowledge.
What does that have to do with black Romans? Is your metric for historical accuracy relative to other people's screwups?
If memory serves, there were more complaints about Santa Claus being depicted as being black, and he's a totally made up person.
So's Māui. By that logic, It'd make total sense for Toby McGuire to play him in a Moana live-action. I don't buy into the idea that his being made-up has anything to do with it.
@Aqua-Letifer said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
So's Māui. By that logic, It'd make total sense for Toby McGuire to play him in a Moana live-action. I don't buy into the idea that his being made-up has anything to do with it.
And the modern depiction of Santa Claus probably has more to do with the Coca Cola corporation than with his original European persona, which I'd argue is considerably more offensive to the original spirit of Christmas.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
What does that have to do with black Romans? Is your metric for historical accuracy relative to other people's screwups?
I suspect there probably were black Romans. It's the Britons they were complaining about.
Speaking as a Briton, I think you should mind your own business.
@Doctor-Phibes said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
@Aqua-Letifer said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
What does that have to do with black Romans? Is your metric for historical accuracy relative to other people's screwups?
I suspect there probably were black Romans. It's the Britons they were complaining about.
Speaking as a Briton, I think you should mind your own business.
Hey, I did 23AndMe and guess what, all but one of my great-grandparents came from London or its immediate surrounds. So mind your place, northerner!
(Is that how they do it? Do they have a worse term than that? Help me out here.)
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@Doctor-Phibes said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
@Aqua-Letifer said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
What does that have to do with black Romans? Is your metric for historical accuracy relative to other people's screwups?
I suspect there probably were black Romans. It's the Britons they were complaining about.
Speaking as a Briton, I think you should mind your own business.
Hey, I did 23AndMe and guess what, all but one of my great-grandparents came from London or its immediate surrounds. So mind your place, northerner!
(Is that how they do it? Do they have a worse term than that? Help me out here.)
@Aqua-Letifer said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
Do they have a worse term than that?
They may, however as a soft southern shandy-drinking bastard, your opinions would be dutifully ignored.
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This whole thing is slightly reminiscent of Laurence Fox complaining that upper-class privately educated English actors are really getting a bum deal nowadays.
Which is fucking hilarious.
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@Renauda said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
The Hollow Crown had the wife of Henry VI, Margaret of Anjou, played by the Jewish black actress with a distinct London accent, Sophie Okonedo. Margaret in real life was French and probably would have struggled to understand any English.
Okonedo despite her accent was superb in the role.
But should we?
Would not a French actress been a better casting decision?
Would not a French actress been a better casting decision?
Sara Martins had other commitments at the time and probably recommended Sophie Okonedo given the latter’s impeccable credentials in Shakespearean stage performances.
So to answer your question, no it would not have made a better casting decision.
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@Jolly said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
Would not a French actress been a better casting decision?
So, gay and straight characters should only be played by gay and straight actors respectively?
Jews should only be played by Jews.
Hitler should only be played by Austrians, and so on?
There's a reason they call it acting.
@Doctor-Phibes said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
@Jolly said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
Would not a French actress been a better casting decision?
So, gay and straight characters should only be played by gay and straight actors respectively?
Jews should only be played by Jews.
Hitler should only be played by Austrians, and so on?
There's a reason they call it acting.
Actually, there are a lot of people who feel exactly that way and complain loudly when it is not followed.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
@Jolly said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
Would not a French actress been a better casting decision?
So, gay and straight characters should only be played by gay and straight actors respectively?
Jews should only be played by Jews.
Hitler should only be played by Austrians, and so on?
There's a reason they call it acting.
Actually, there are a lot of people who feel exactly that way and complain loudly when it is not followed.
@Mik said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
Actually, there are a lot of people who feel exactly that way and complain loudly when it is not followed.
I do not believe that I have ever heard anybody complain about the fact that somebody playing Adolf Hitler is not an Austrian. Maybe some Austrians are upset by this, however if so they are presumably keeping it to themselves.
I have, however, heard a number of complaints about black people playing hobbits.
But none, oddly, about New Zealanders playing the Uruk Hai.
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Well, how about Morgan Freeman playing Hitler?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Jolly said in That might be stretching things a bit...:
Well, how about Morgan Freeman playing Hitler?
You tell us. Not sure he would show up for the audition let alone take the part. Besides I wasn’t aware that Shakespeare wrote a play about Hitler. He did however do one on the arch tyrant of the Tudors, that Yorkist usurper Richard III. Freeman could do that role but I don’t think he would accept it if offered.
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I thought Denzel Washington in That Scottish Play was an interesting choice. These supposed contradictions don’t bother me in the slightest. I am, however, a bit tired of a majority of main characters in new shows being black women. It strikes me as pandering.
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Shakespeare used to feature male actors dressed up as women pretending to be men.
I think we've got more important things to worry about.
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Iron Eyes Cody, or “Espera Oscar de Corti,” was born in a rural southwestern Louisiana town on April 3, 1904, the second of four children. His parents, Antonio de Corti and Francesca Salpietra had both emigrated from Sicily, Italy just a few years prior.
Five years later, Antonio abandoned the family and left for Texas, taking with him Oscar and his two brothers. It was here, in the windswept deserts, that Oscar was exposed to Western films, and developed an affinity for Native American culture. In 1919, film producers visited the area to shoot a silent film, “Back to God’s Country;” Oscar was cast as a Native American child. The experience impacted him greatly, and, following his father’s death in 1924, he migrated to California to forge a career as an actor.
