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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
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    Why doesn’t Bobby Jr. just call the triumvirate “The Barge”?

    Jr. gone wild crackers.

    Elbows up!

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      60% of the single family homes seems optimistic. I wonder where he got that number.

      Education is extremely important.

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          They’ve done studies you know. 60% of the time it works every time.

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            https://www.jchs.harvard.edu/blog/8-facts-about-investor-activity-single-family-rental-market

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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              Three giant companies, BlackRock, State Street, and Vanguard … who all own each other …” RFK Jr. explained. “They’re the biggest companies in the world. Rich, and they … own, I think they own 88 percent of the S&P 500 …

              He’s confusing the assets they have under management with assets of the companies themselves.

              Most of my securities are held in custody at Vanguard but I own them.

              Blackrock assets: 117B

              Blackrock assets under management: 8.5T

              Similar story with the others.

              The shreds of truth there are:

              1. they get to vote the shares of stock they hold within mutual funds

              2. since they are such huge buyers on behalf of their clients corporate management cares what they think. Ever-expanding scope of ESG is the risk here.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • HoraceH Horace

                60% of the single family homes seems optimistic. I wonder where he got that number.

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                Doctor Phibes
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                @Horace said in RFK names the three corps that control the world:

                60% of the single family homes seems optimistic. I wonder where he got that number.

                He probably did his own research.

                Hey, at least he didn't implicate the Rothschild's. It's about time somebody cut those guys a break.

                I was only joking

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  Three giant companies, BlackRock, State Street, and Vanguard … who all own each other …” RFK Jr. explained. “They’re the biggest companies in the world. Rich, and they … own, I think they own 88 percent of the S&P 500 …

                  He’s confusing the assets they have under management with assets of the companies themselves.

                  Most of my securities are held in custody at Vanguard but I own them.

                  Blackrock assets: 117B

                  Blackrock assets under management: 8.5T

                  Similar story with the others.

                  The shreds of truth there are:

                  1. they get to vote the shares of stock they hold within mutual funds

                  2. since they are such huge buyers on behalf of their clients corporate management cares what they think. Ever-expanding scope of ESG is the risk here.

                  LuFins DadL Offline
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                  LuFins Dad
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                  #10

                  @jon-nyc said in RFK names the three corps that control the world:

                  Three giant companies, BlackRock, State Street, and Vanguard … who all own each other …” RFK Jr. explained. “They’re the biggest companies in the world. Rich, and they … own, I think they own 88 percent of the S&P 500 …

                  He’s confusing the assets they have under management with assets of the companies themselves.

                  Most of my securities are held in custody at Vanguard but I own them.

                  Blackrock assets: 117B

                  Blackrock assets under management: 8.5T

                  Similar story with the others.

                  The shreds of truth there are:

                  1. they get to vote the shares of stock they hold within mutual funds

                  2. since they are such huge buyers on behalf of their clients corporate management cares what they think. Ever-expanding scope of ESG is the risk here.

                  Very well explained. There’s a whole world of room between Investment Firms trying to raise the value of their portfolios and evil one world corporists trying to eliminate ownership!

                  I do think that steps need to be taken to address the number of private residences owned by these entities, but most of that can and should be handled at a local level.

                  I also believe the answer to woke capitalism as demonstrated by these companies is to provide legitimate competition… You don’t like what Disney is doing? Put together an investment group large enough to get your voice into the boardroom and vote out those that are pushing the garbage…

                  The Brad

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                    Aside from the silly handwaving (Barge? Silly boy!), the fact remains that we do have a problem. It may not be exactly what RFK says, but it is a concentration of too many homes and too much wealth under too few people.

                    Been a long time since America was in the Trust-busting business. Maybe it's time we got back in it.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      Aside from the silly handwaving (Barge? Silly boy!), the fact remains that we do have a problem. It may not be exactly what RFK says, but it is a concentration of too many homes and too much wealth under too few people.

                      Been a long time since America was in the Trust-busting business. Maybe it's time we got back in it.

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                      @Jolly said in RFK names the three corps that control the world:

                      a concentration of too many homes and too much wealth under too few people

                      Perhaps a bit off-topic. I've seen some tweets by the libertarian-leaning crowd about how various things have become unaffordable, when compared with the average take-home salary.

                      For example, 90 years ago, during the depression, an automobile was about 45% of a year's salary. Today, it's about 85%. A house was 3X average salary. Today, 8X.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        @Jolly said in RFK names the three corps that control the world:

                        a concentration of too many homes and too much wealth under too few people

                        Perhaps a bit off-topic. I've seen some tweets by the libertarian-leaning crowd about how various things have become unaffordable, when compared with the average take-home salary.

                        For example, 90 years ago, during the depression, an automobile was about 45% of a year's salary. Today, it's about 85%. A house was 3X average salary. Today, 8X.

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                        @George-K Same with college. I was talking to a friend and he said that when he graduated (I think early 90's), his starting salary was just a bit less then his 4 year costs.

                        Now, I would say the college costs are much higher than a years salary.

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                          The tax return for me and the Mrs. in 1977.

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                          Average cost of a house?

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                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            @Jolly said in RFK names the three corps that control the world:

                            a concentration of too many homes and too much wealth under too few people

                            Perhaps a bit off-topic. I've seen some tweets by the libertarian-leaning crowd about how various things have become unaffordable, when compared with the average take-home salary.

                            For example, 90 years ago, during the depression, an automobile was about 45% of a year's salary. Today, it's about 85%. A house was 3X average salary. Today, 8X.

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                            @George-K said in RFK names the three corps that control the world:

                            @Jolly said in RFK names the three corps that control the world:

                            a concentration of too many homes and too much wealth under too few people

                            Perhaps a bit off-topic. I've seen some tweets by the libertarian-leaning crowd about how various things have become unaffordable, when compared with the average take-home salary.

                            For example, 90 years ago, during the depression, an automobile was about 45% of a year's salary. Today, it's about 85%. A house was 3X average salary. Today, 8X.

                            How much of that is driven by the consumer, though? Especially in the home buying? Our house is about 4X what my income was at that time. Today it’s even less. It doesn’t have everything that we want but it has everything we need. Now our real estate agent tried to drive us up but we chose not to…

                            Same holds true for a car. Median Salary in 2022 was about $60K. There are plenty of new cars available for ~ $28K…

                            No, if you’re spending 8 times your income on a house and 85% of your income on a car, that’s a choice.

                            The Brad

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                              One could argue the current housing spike of prices "must" go way back down towards the moving average.

                              Also, if house prices kept at pace with inflation, the average home today would cost $178k, not 408k. Full article here: https://anytimeestimate.com/research/housing-prices-vs-inflation/#housing-vs-inflation

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                                LuFins Dad
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                                And it’s not taking into account the second income in most families.

                                The Brad

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                                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                  @George-K Same with college. I was talking to a friend and he said that when he graduated (I think early 90's), his starting salary was just a bit less then his 4 year costs.

                                  Now, I would say the college costs are much higher than a years salary.

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                                  @taiwan_girl said in RFK names the three corps that control the world:

                                  @George-K Same with college. I was talking to a friend and he said that when he graduated (I think early 90's), his starting salary was just a bit less then his 4 year costs.

                                  Now, I would say the college costs are much higher than a years salary.

                                  Big time. If the cost of college kept up with inflation it would be flat with the black line:

                                  44478b66-9e20-486d-9d50-622c1c472d76-image.png

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    Aside from the silly handwaving (Barge? Silly boy!), the fact remains that we do have a problem. It may not be exactly what RFK says, but it is a concentration of too many homes and too much wealth under too few people.

                                    Been a long time since America was in the Trust-busting business. Maybe it's time we got back in it.

                                    RenaudaR Offline
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                                    Renauda
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                                    #19

                                    @Jolly said in RFK names the three corps that control the world:

                                    Aside from the silly handwaving (Barge? Silly boy!), the fact remains that we do have a problem. It may not be exactly what RFK says, but it is a concentration of too many homes and too much wealth under too few people.

                                    I’ll silly boy you. Call it what you want then. Perhaps “The Scow”? Dosen’t have the same ring though.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      @jon-nyc said in RFK names the three corps that control the world:

                                      Three giant companies, BlackRock, State Street, and Vanguard … who all own each other …” RFK Jr. explained. “They’re the biggest companies in the world. Rich, and they … own, I think they own 88 percent of the S&P 500 …

                                      He’s confusing the assets they have under management with assets of the companies themselves.

                                      Most of my securities are held in custody at Vanguard but I own them.

                                      Blackrock assets: 117B

                                      Blackrock assets under management: 8.5T

                                      Similar story with the others.

                                      The shreds of truth there are:

                                      1. they get to vote the shares of stock they hold within mutual funds

                                      2. since they are such huge buyers on behalf of their clients corporate management cares what they think. Ever-expanding scope of ESG is the risk here.

                                      Very well explained. There’s a whole world of room between Investment Firms trying to raise the value of their portfolios and evil one world corporists trying to eliminate ownership!

                                      I do think that steps need to be taken to address the number of private residences owned by these entities, but most of that can and should be handled at a local level.

                                      I also believe the answer to woke capitalism as demonstrated by these companies is to provide legitimate competition… You don’t like what Disney is doing? Put together an investment group large enough to get your voice into the boardroom and vote out those that are pushing the garbage…

                                      jon-nycJ Online
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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #20

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in RFK names the three corps that control the world:

                                      I do think that steps need to be taken to address the number of private residences owned by these entities, but most of that can and should be handled at a local level.

                                      I totally agree. They tend to concentrate on sunbelt cities (growing and with landlord-friendly laws) in the 300k and under portion of the housing market. In many such places they are truly the dominant force.

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        The main driver of housing price increases are local regs. Zoning #1, and construction regs #2.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        • 89th8 89th

                                          @taiwan_girl said in RFK names the three corps that control the world:

                                          @George-K Same with college. I was talking to a friend and he said that when he graduated (I think early 90's), his starting salary was just a bit less then his 4 year costs.

                                          Now, I would say the college costs are much higher than a years salary.

                                          Big time. If the cost of college kept up with inflation it would be flat with the black line:

                                          44478b66-9e20-486d-9d50-622c1c472d76-image.png

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                                          @89th said in RFK names the three corps that control the world:

                                          @taiwan_girl said in RFK names the three corps that control the world:

                                          @George-K Same with college. I was talking to a friend and he said that when he graduated (I think early 90's), his starting salary was just a bit less then his 4 year costs.

                                          Now, I would say the college costs are much higher than a years salary.

                                          Big time. If the cost of college kept up with inflation it would be flat with the black line:

                                          44478b66-9e20-486d-9d50-622c1c472d76-image.png

                                          Inflation isn’t the metric used in @George-K and @taiwan_girl s post.

                                          The Brad

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