Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary
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@jon-nyc said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
All that is implicit is they each have a cognizable slice of the electorate.
I get that that’s all you’ll grant. But if there is such a thing as a post Trump GOP as Yglasias describes, it’ll be recognized by its ideas and not its orange hair. DeSantis is nobody’s cult leader.
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True. Trump very much is, but DeSantis isn't. Maybe I should have paid more attention to your phrasing - it's not "just" a cult. There are replicable ideas or at least emotions for non-Trump people to emulate.
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True. Trump very much is, but DeSantis isn't. Maybe I should have paid more attention to your phrasing - it's not "just" a cult. There are replicable ideas or at least emotions for non-Trump people to emulate.
@jon-nyc said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
True. Trump very much is, but DeSantis isn't. Maybe I should have paid more attention to your phrasing - it's not "just" a cult. There are replicable ideas or at least emotions for non-Trump people to emulate.
TDS doesn’t exist, and Trump supporters are cultists. Thanks for the objective thoughtful assessment.
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@jon-nyc said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
Strawmandering clearly exists and, at least here, you are its main proponent.
...and everybody who holds you to stuff you've explicitly said, is strawmanning you. Thanks for the objective and thoughtful assessment.
Education is extremely important.
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Interesting, and I think true, analysis in the article, though I would say that Tim Scott is closer to the 4th lane than the second lane.
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Interesting, and I think true, analysis in the article, though I would say that Tim Scott is closer to the 4th lane than the second lane.
@taiwan_girl said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
Interesting, and I think true, analysis in the article, though I would say that Tim Scott is closer to the 4th lane than the second lane.
DeSantis and Ramaswamy are leaning into the culture wars, which is why I presume Yglesias buckets them together. Why do you put Scott there?
Education is extremely important.
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@jon-nyc said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
Nonsense.
Tell me why I'm wrong about what you think, and I'll happily admit to being wrong.
@Horace said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
@jon-nyc said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
Nonsense.
Tell me why I'm wrong about what you think, and I'll happily admit to being wrong.
I’ve never said that TDS doesn’t exist, indeed I’ve even given description of TDS behavior (as regards forum posting) when analagizing it to WDS some members have exhibited here.
Also the clear fact that many Trump supporters indeed exhibit cult-like behavior is not to make the general case that “Trump supporters are cultists”.
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@Horace said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
@jon-nyc said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
Nonsense.
Tell me why I'm wrong about what you think, and I'll happily admit to being wrong.
I’ve never said that TDS doesn’t exist, indeed I’ve even given description of TDS behavior (as regards forum posting) when analagizing it to WDS some members have exhibited here.
Also the clear fact that many Trump supporters indeed exhibit cult-like behavior is not to make the general case that “Trump supporters are cultists”.
@jon-nyc said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
@Horace said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
@jon-nyc said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
Nonsense.
Tell me why I'm wrong about what you think, and I'll happily admit to being wrong.
I’ve never said that TDS doesn’t exist, indeed I’ve even given description of TDS behavior (as regards forum posting) when analagizing it to WDS some members have exhibited here.
This word salad would make me proud. But ok. You admit TDS exists, in that you've described analogous behaviors to it, exhibited by the opposite tribe? is that it? That sounds like a funny way of admitting something. I don't think you really ever admitted that TDS is a thing. In fact I'll go ahead and call BS on that. You can't cite a single post where you say TDS exists.
Also the clear fact that many Trump supporters indeed exhibit cult-like behavior is not to make the general case that “Trump supporters are cultists”.
Fair enough, you don't think "all" Trump supporters are in a cult. Only "some". I was incorrect in my wording.
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Your claim was that I “explicitly said” TDS doesn’t exist. The burden is in you to show that. There are no posts I could conceivably point to to prove that I never “explicitly said” that, whereas if I did say it, there would be a single post that would make your case.
I’ll wait.
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Your claim was that I “explicitly said” TDS doesn’t exist. The burden is in you to show that. There are no posts I could conceivably point to to prove that I never “explicitly said” that, whereas if I did say it, there would be a single post that would make your case.
I’ll wait.
@jon-nyc said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
Your claim was that I “explicitly said” TDS doesn’t exist. The burden is in you to show that. There are no posts I could conceivably point to to prove that I never “explicitly said” that, whereas if I did say it, there would be a single post that would make your case.
I’ll wait.
No I’ve asked you and you don’t respond. I’ve inferred my answer from there. As close as you’ll come in this thread is to admit the concept exists in the minds of people who say it. You’ll go to quite some lengths to prove me wrong, it’s impressive. But assertions of the existence of ideas is not quite the answer I was looking for. You don’t think TDS exists, or if you do, you won’t admit it.
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@jon-nyc said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
Strawmandering clearly exists and, at least here, you are its main proponent.
...and everybody who holds you to stuff you've explicitly said, is strawmanning you. Thanks for the objective and thoughtful assessment.
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@Horace said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
...and everybody who holds you to stuff you've explicitly said,
Wrong. You literally said it.
I’m still waiting.
@jon-nyc said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
@Horace said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
...and everybody who holds you to stuff you've explicitly said,
Wrong. You literally said it.
I’m still waiting.
Yes my mistake. You’ve been intentionally cagey about the existence or lack thereof, of TDS. Therefore you have not explicitly said it doesn’t exist. You’re clever and I’m wrong. I’m sorry Jon.
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Word games. Sound and fury, signifying nothing. The average voter doesn't slice thing that semantically thin.
TDS, much like pornography, is one of those things that you know it when you see it. It's that obvious.
OTOH, I though Donna Brazile made a cogent comment the other day...Trump Cult is not applicable, Trump Movement is. If you go back and look at the political roots of Trump before the election, you know where Trump came from...Trump listened to and worked the room, with a lot of the Tea Party folks. And I think much of that patriotism and concern for country permeated the Trump Campaign. It didn't spawn a movement, it just furthered it.
Now, the GOP is changing. As the whiteheads die off, the national party will become more like the state parties. Broader based, still conservative. As less Americans attend
indoctrinationcollege and become more pragmatic in their political views, the Demonrats may well become the party of the white, college educated SIMPS and their partners, urban blacks and other gibmedats. -
@taiwan_girl said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
Interesting, and I think true, analysis in the article, though I would say that Tim Scott is closer to the 4th lane than the second lane.
DeSantis and Ramaswamy are leaning into the culture wars, which is why I presume Yglesias buckets them together. Why do you put Scott there?
@Horace said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
@taiwan_girl said in Interesting ‘4-lane’ model of the GOP primary:
Interesting, and I think true, analysis in the article, though I would say that Tim Scott is closer to the 4th lane than the second lane.
DeSantis and Ramaswamy are leaning into the culture wars, which is why I presume Yglesias buckets them together. Why do you put Scott there?
I will have to look more into him, but my initial reading is that he is a "nice" Donald Trump. A lot of the same viewpoints and "rhetoric" but spoken politely and without name calling.
