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The last thing our economy needs

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  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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    wrote on last edited by taiwan_girl
    #3

    Not sure if this table will show properly but shows executive orders by recent president. First column is total over the president term, second column is avg. # per year. Since President Carter, President Trump is the highest.

    https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/executive-orders

    Gerald Ford 169. 69 2.45 11798 - 11966
    Jimmy Carter (D) 320 80 4.00 11967 - 12286
    Ronald Reagan (R) 381. 48 8.00 12287 - 12667
    I 213 53 4.00 12287 - 12499
    II 168 42 4.00 12500 - 12667
    George Bush (R) 166 42 4.00 12668 - 12833
    William J. Clinton (D) 364 46 8.00 12834 - 13197
    I 200 50 4.00 12834 - 13033
    II 164 41 4.00 13034 - 13197
    George W. Bush (R). 291. 36 8.00 13198 - 13488
    I 173 43 4.00 13198 - 13370
    II 118 30 4.00 13371 - 13488
    Barack Obama (D) 276 35 8.00 13489 - 13764
    I 147 37 4.00 13489 - 13635
    II 129 32 4.00 13636 - 13764
    Donald J. Trump (R). 220 55 4.00 13765 - 13984
    Joseph R. Biden (D) 122 47 2.58 13985 - 14106

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      And what does this have to do with the subject at hand?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        #5

        The problem with these types of analyses is that they don't look at what the EO supposedly did. Are they policy decisions? Are they memoranda? Are they proclamations?

        Since President Carter, President Trump is the highest.

        Yeah, but look earlier - Roosevelt (almost one per day), Hoover, Hilson, Harding have higher per-year numbers.

        Trump trails Ike, Nixon and Ford.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG George K

          The problem with these types of analyses is that they don't look at what the EO supposedly did. Are they policy decisions? Are they memoranda? Are they proclamations?

          Since President Carter, President Trump is the highest.

          Yeah, but look earlier - Roosevelt (almost one per day), Hoover, Hilson, Harding have higher per-year numbers.

          Trump trails Ike, Nixon and Ford.

          taiwan_girlT Offline
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          @George-K @jolly. I guess it was to say that Presidents have been issuing executive orders for a long long time. To say that President Biden loves to overstep his executive authority, could probably be said for any president. I think that they all develop a "god complex" and think that they alone know what is best.

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            All of which completely misses the point when you factor in that recently these executive orders have been attempts to overstep their authority and bypass the legislative process.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • MikM Mik

              All of which completely misses the point when you factor in that recently these executive orders have been attempts to overstep their authority and bypass the legislative process.

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              @Mik said in The last thing our economy needs:

              All of which completely misses the point when you factor in that recently these executive orders have been attempts to overstep their authority and bypass the legislative process.

              That was implicit in what I was trying to say.

              Also, if we had a congress which doesn't need a spine transplant, perhaps this would be curtailed.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • 89th8 89th

                Biden loves overstepping his executive authority. Trump and Obama did this as well, so it's not new, but they think being the President is the same thing as being the sole governing authority and king.

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                @89th said in The last thing our economy needs:

                Biden loves overstepping his executive authority. Trump and Obama did this as well, so it's not new, but they think being the President is the same thing as being the sole governing authority and king.

                I think we do it to ourselves by accepting things like “the Trump economy” or “Biden economy”.

                We seem to have some natural desire to put a guy at the top.

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                  In Trump's case it had more to do with regulation removal and COVID. In Biden's case it's about buying votes.

                  Normally I would not make such a blanket statement, but Joe's been trying to buy votes all along.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
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                    #11

                    Take away COVID and what does the Trump presidency look like? Even considering his EO's?

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • LuFins DadL Offline
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                      LuFins Dad
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                      #12

                      25 EOs specifically tied to COVID.

                      The Brad

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                      • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                        #13

                        I would say that "almost" every decision by a politician is done with an eye on the ballot box.

                        Some relatively recent executive orders

                        Adjustments of Certain Rates of Pay (Note: pay raises for certain govt employees)
                        Combatting Anti- Semetism
                        Establish a Task Force for Missing and Murdered American Indians
                        Commission on Law Enforcement
                        Protecting and Improving Medicare for our Nations Seniors
                        Economic Empowerment of Asian Americans
                        etc

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