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  • HoraceH Horace

    @Renauda said in Tucker interviews Vivek:

    His take on the Russia Ukraine war is just plain wrong. Clueless.

    His views on that war all seem based on the notion that the US has little self-interest in the conflict.

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    @Horace said in Tucker interviews Vivek:

    @Renauda said in Tucker interviews Vivek:

    His take on the Russia Ukraine war is just plain wrong. Clueless.

    His views on that war all seem based on the notion that the US has little self-interest in the conflict.

    Indeed and he is quite mistaken in holding to that notion.

    Elbows up!

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    • HoraceH Horace

      @Renauda said in Tucker interviews Vivek:

      His take on the Russia Ukraine war is just plain wrong. Clueless.

      His views on that war all seem based on the notion that the US has little self-interest in the conflict.

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      @Horace said in Tucker interviews Vivek:

      @Renauda said in Tucker interviews Vivek:

      His take on the Russia Ukraine war is just plain wrong. Clueless.

      His views on that war all seem based on the notion that the US has little self-interest in the conflict.

      I’d like to see him own it then, in all its implications. Don’t just say “we don’t have an interest in Ukraine”, say “I don’t mind if Russia rebuilds its empire”.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        @Horace said in Tucker interviews Vivek:

        @Renauda said in Tucker interviews Vivek:

        His take on the Russia Ukraine war is just plain wrong. Clueless.

        His views on that war all seem based on the notion that the US has little self-interest in the conflict.

        I’d like to see him own it then, in all its implications. Don’t just say “we don’t have an interest in Ukraine”, say “I don’t mind if Russia rebuilds its empire”.

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        @jon-nyc said in Tucker interviews Vivek:

        I’d like to see him own it then, in all its implications. Don’t just say “we don’t have an interest in Ukraine”, say “I don’t mind if Russia rebuilds its empire”.

        Well-put.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          He doesn't really talk like he'd just let Russia roll wherever it pleases. He starts talking about it at 30:00.

          Link to video

          Education is extremely important.

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            Listened to him from 30:00 until the yak about populism started. He proposes an armistice along the lines of Korea but takes NATO off the table as means of enforcing or guaranteeing the peace. He also has some naive notions about Russia agreeing to stop meddling in third countries and withdrawing nuclear weapons from the Kaliningrad enclave. I won’t even bother to comment on his thoughts about Sino-Russian relations and Taiwan.

            He really needs to be briefed on the reality of the world beyond his corporate offices let alone the borders the USA.

            Elbows up!

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              A "light weight," then.

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                A "light weight," then.

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                @Axtremus said in Tucker interviews Vivek:

                A "light weight," then.

                Glad that’s straightened out.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  Listened to him from 30:00 until the yak about populism started. He proposes an armistice along the lines of Korea but takes NATO off the table as means of enforcing or guaranteeing the peace. He also has some naive notions about Russia agreeing to stop meddling in third countries and withdrawing nuclear weapons from the Kaliningrad enclave. I won’t even bother to comment on his thoughts about Sino-Russian relations and Taiwan.

                  He really needs to be briefed on the reality of the world beyond his corporate offices let alone the borders the USA.

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                  @Renauda said in Tucker interviews Vivek:

                  Listened to him from 30:00 until the yak about populism started. He proposes an armistice along the lines of Korea but takes NATO off the table as means of enforcing or guaranteeing the peace. He also has some naive notions about Russia agreeing to stop meddling in third countries and withdrawing nuclear weapons from the Kaliningrad enclave. I won’t even bother to comment on his thoughts about Sino-Russian relations and Taiwan.

                  He really needs to be briefed on the reality of the world beyond his corporate offices let alone the borders the USA.

                  That is enough for me to reject him.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    A bit of a lack of long term thinking, or not thinking along the decision tree of all the consequences. It is then that it is realized that the original idea was maybe not the correct one.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @jon-nyc said in Tucker interviews Vivek:

                      I’d like to see him own it then, in all its implications. Don’t just say “we don’t have an interest in Ukraine”, say “I don’t mind if Russia rebuilds its empire”.

                      Well-put.

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                      @George-K said in Tucker interviews Vivek:

                      @jon-nyc said in Tucker interviews Vivek:

                      I’d like to see him own it then, in all its implications. Don’t just say “we don’t have an interest in Ukraine”, say “I don’t mind if Russia rebuilds its empire”.

                      Well-put.

                      Yes. And it's not just Russia and China. We need to build a world where the international costs of aggression far outweigh the potential rewards.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        If Vivek is convinced any of that is in America's best interest, then he'd be in favor. Maybe he's just too dumb to see consequences, as TG guesses, or maybe he's not educated enough on the issues yet. In that same interview, he makes it clear that he's likely to change his mind on some things, if new information or further reflection indicates he should do so. I'm not going to hold him to a series of litmus tests about whether he's supportable as a candidate. That way lies a list of zero supportable candidates. Except maybe for career politicians who know to avoid saying things that fail litmus tests. And end up saying nothing at all.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          No, in most cases I would not either. That said, a president's most important job is foreign policy. Sovereignty is a pretty important part of that, and the world needs the US to help lead the way there. If he indeed believes that rewarding Russian aggression does not harm US interests, that is a killer for me.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            Ramaswamy strikes me as a person who might be suited for an appointment along the lines of Secretary of Industry. I think with his technocratic background he could do well as such. I do not however see him to be suitable as POTUS or a role that calls for statesmanship and diplomacy.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • MikM Mik

                              No, in most cases I would not either. That said, a president's most important job is foreign policy. Sovereignty is a pretty important part of that, and the world needs the US to help lead the way there. If he indeed believes that rewarding Russian aggression does not harm US interests, that is a killer for me.

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                              @Mik said in Tucker interviews Vivek:

                              No, in most cases I would not either. That said, a president's most important job is foreign policy. Sovereignty is a pretty important part of that, and the world needs the US to help lead the way there. If he indeed believes that rewarding Russian aggression does not harm US interests, that is a killer for me.

                              He does seem to be primarily concerned with domestic issues, and has firm opinions on those. The Presidency is really a different ball of fish when it comes to strategy, particularly if things start to go south internationally.

                              I was only joking

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                                He speaks well and is engaging. His worldview is a bit on the naive side, however - I got the feeling that we'll just "trust" Russia to behave. We're already "trusting" Iran and other countries and I'm skeptical of how that'll work out in the long run.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Chris Christie's contrast:

                                  https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/19/chris-christie-eyes-china-not-russia-as-americas-biggest-foreign-foe-00111960

                                  Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie on Saturday drew a stark foreign policy contrast with rivals for the GOP nomination who have proposed loosening current American commitments in Ukraine and Taiwan in the face of aggression from Russia and China.

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                                    From the little I know, it seems that Gov. Christie strategy to be everything the others aren't, and make himself pretty unique among the candidates. It may work. Who knows?

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                                      He's very well educated and well-read - and that comes through his books. I find him interesting as he challenges established views - for both parties though obviously he cudgels the left more than the right. He and Art Chang present some interesting, fresh ideas which help discussion - as compared to the reps that are reading off the flash cards what is the party line.

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                                        I dont think that Mr. Ramaswamy is dumb, but I do think he lacks a long term vision (or understanding) of consequences to his ideas on foreign policy. Ukraine, Taiwan, and now Isreal.

                                        During an interview this weekend on Russell Brand's Rumble show, Ramaswamy said he would end funding to Israel when a $38 billion package ends in 2028.

                                        "Come 2028, that additional aid won’t be necessary in order to still have the kind of stability that we’d actually have in the Middle East by having Israel more integrated in with its partners," Ramaswamy said.

                                        I think his star is buring out in this campaign cycle.

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                                          I think his life has been characterized by extraordinarily consistent success, and his ego has never been checked by the failed ambitions that shape most people. As for his foreign policy ideas, obviously they are outside the overton window, but I don't claim to understand foreign policy and its effects any better than the next person. I enjoy his discussions on the topic, and I don't mistake flippant dismissals for well-considered rebuttals.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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