Tucker interviews Vivek
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wrote on 18 Aug 2023, 10:54 last edited by
It seems the world has forgotten about Nikki Haley.
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wrote on 18 Aug 2023, 11:07 last edited by
The tension between gay and trans is talked about quite often by Andrew Sullivan.
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I'm not sure if I agree with everything he says, but his ability to express his views and articulate the logic behind them is pretty impressive.
Make America Great Again!No slogans...I'd be interested to hear what some of our left-leaning members thing about this interview.
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wrote on 18 Aug 2023, 11:11 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Tucker interviews Vivek:
The tension between gay and trans is talked about quite often by Andrew Sullivan.
A bit like blacks and hispanics?
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wrote on 18 Aug 2023, 11:21 last edited by jon-nyc
Well, more like young gays are being told they’re really trans now. And data that show, before the youth transition craze started, the majority of gender dysphoric youth and up getting over the dysphoria and being gay adults.
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wrote on 18 Aug 2023, 14:14 last edited by Renauda
His take on the Russia Ukraine war is just plain wrong. Clueless.
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wrote on 18 Aug 2023, 16:34 last edited by
@Renauda said in Tucker interviews Vivek:
His take on the Russia Ukraine war is just plain wrong. Clueless.
His views on that war all seem based on the notion that the US has little self-interest in the conflict.
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@jon-nyc said in Tucker interviews Vivek:
The tension between gay and trans is talked about quite often by Andrew Sullivan.
A bit like blacks and hispanics?
wrote on 18 Aug 2023, 17:15 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Tucker interviews Vivek:
A bit like blacks and hispanics?
But they aren't necessarily mental cases.
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@Renauda said in Tucker interviews Vivek:
His take on the Russia Ukraine war is just plain wrong. Clueless.
His views on that war all seem based on the notion that the US has little self-interest in the conflict.
wrote on 18 Aug 2023, 17:33 last edited by Renauda@Horace said in Tucker interviews Vivek:
@Renauda said in Tucker interviews Vivek:
His take on the Russia Ukraine war is just plain wrong. Clueless.
His views on that war all seem based on the notion that the US has little self-interest in the conflict.
Indeed and he is quite mistaken in holding to that notion.
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@Renauda said in Tucker interviews Vivek:
His take on the Russia Ukraine war is just plain wrong. Clueless.
His views on that war all seem based on the notion that the US has little self-interest in the conflict.
wrote on 19 Aug 2023, 07:01 last edited by jon-nyc@Horace said in Tucker interviews Vivek:
@Renauda said in Tucker interviews Vivek:
His take on the Russia Ukraine war is just plain wrong. Clueless.
His views on that war all seem based on the notion that the US has little self-interest in the conflict.
I’d like to see him own it then, in all its implications. Don’t just say “we don’t have an interest in Ukraine”, say “I don’t mind if Russia rebuilds its empire”.
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@Horace said in Tucker interviews Vivek:
@Renauda said in Tucker interviews Vivek:
His take on the Russia Ukraine war is just plain wrong. Clueless.
His views on that war all seem based on the notion that the US has little self-interest in the conflict.
I’d like to see him own it then, in all its implications. Don’t just say “we don’t have an interest in Ukraine”, say “I don’t mind if Russia rebuilds its empire”.
wrote on 19 Aug 2023, 11:46 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Tucker interviews Vivek:
I’d like to see him own it then, in all its implications. Don’t just say “we don’t have an interest in Ukraine”, say “I don’t mind if Russia rebuilds its empire”.
Well-put.
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wrote on 19 Aug 2023, 13:15 last edited by
He doesn't really talk like he'd just let Russia roll wherever it pleases. He starts talking about it at 30:00.
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wrote on 19 Aug 2023, 15:24 last edited by Renauda
Listened to him from 30:00 until the yak about populism started. He proposes an armistice along the lines of Korea but takes NATO off the table as means of enforcing or guaranteeing the peace. He also has some naive notions about Russia agreeing to stop meddling in third countries and withdrawing nuclear weapons from the Kaliningrad enclave. I won’t even bother to comment on his thoughts about Sino-Russian relations and Taiwan.
He really needs to be briefed on the reality of the world beyond his corporate offices let alone the borders the USA.
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wrote on 19 Aug 2023, 15:47 last edited by
A "light weight," then.
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wrote on 19 Aug 2023, 16:10 last edited by
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Listened to him from 30:00 until the yak about populism started. He proposes an armistice along the lines of Korea but takes NATO off the table as means of enforcing or guaranteeing the peace. He also has some naive notions about Russia agreeing to stop meddling in third countries and withdrawing nuclear weapons from the Kaliningrad enclave. I won’t even bother to comment on his thoughts about Sino-Russian relations and Taiwan.
He really needs to be briefed on the reality of the world beyond his corporate offices let alone the borders the USA.
wrote on 19 Aug 2023, 16:23 last edited by@Renauda said in Tucker interviews Vivek:
Listened to him from 30:00 until the yak about populism started. He proposes an armistice along the lines of Korea but takes NATO off the table as means of enforcing or guaranteeing the peace. He also has some naive notions about Russia agreeing to stop meddling in third countries and withdrawing nuclear weapons from the Kaliningrad enclave. I won’t even bother to comment on his thoughts about Sino-Russian relations and Taiwan.
He really needs to be briefed on the reality of the world beyond his corporate offices let alone the borders the USA.
That is enough for me to reject him.
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wrote on 19 Aug 2023, 16:40 last edited by
A bit of a lack of long term thinking, or not thinking along the decision tree of all the consequences. It is then that it is realized that the original idea was maybe not the correct one.
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@jon-nyc said in Tucker interviews Vivek:
I’d like to see him own it then, in all its implications. Don’t just say “we don’t have an interest in Ukraine”, say “I don’t mind if Russia rebuilds its empire”.
Well-put.
wrote on 19 Aug 2023, 16:51 last edited by@George-K said in Tucker interviews Vivek:
@jon-nyc said in Tucker interviews Vivek:
I’d like to see him own it then, in all its implications. Don’t just say “we don’t have an interest in Ukraine”, say “I don’t mind if Russia rebuilds its empire”.
Well-put.
Yes. And it's not just Russia and China. We need to build a world where the international costs of aggression far outweigh the potential rewards.
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wrote on 19 Aug 2023, 17:02 last edited by Horace
If Vivek is convinced any of that is in America's best interest, then he'd be in favor. Maybe he's just too dumb to see consequences, as TG guesses, or maybe he's not educated enough on the issues yet. In that same interview, he makes it clear that he's likely to change his mind on some things, if new information or further reflection indicates he should do so. I'm not going to hold him to a series of litmus tests about whether he's supportable as a candidate. That way lies a list of zero supportable candidates. Except maybe for career politicians who know to avoid saying things that fail litmus tests. And end up saying nothing at all.
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wrote on 19 Aug 2023, 17:31 last edited by Mik
No, in most cases I would not either. That said, a president's most important job is foreign policy. Sovereignty is a pretty important part of that, and the world needs the US to help lead the way there. If he indeed believes that rewarding Russian aggression does not harm US interests, that is a killer for me.