The Wheel of Time
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@LuFins-Dad said in The Wheel of Time:
Have you read the stuff written by Herbert’s son and Kevin Anderson? I came to like some of those better than the original Dune books. Dune was great. Dune Messiah was okay, but by the time you got to Children and God Emperor, it was all downhill. But the Butlerian Jihad and The Machine Crusade were decent reads and laid a nice foundation for Dune.
No, I haven't. I really got fed up with the Dune sequels. The whole messianic stuff grated on me and I gave up (though I don't remember on which book).
If the prequels are good, I might give them a shot.
What I loved about "Dune" was the world-building - a whole society and universe totally invented, unlike anything I'd read before. I should explore those.
@George-K said in The Wheel of Time:
What I loved about "Dune" was the world-building - a whole society and universe totally invented, unlike anything I'd read before. I should explore those.
William Gibson's really good at that, too. I'm also fairly certain he did an X-files episode or two.
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@George-K Get the books. I am up to The Shadow Rising and am engrossed. I think you will like it, just bear with the first book...
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@George-K Get the books. I am up to The Shadow Rising and am engrossed. I think you will like it, just bear with the first book...
@LuFins-Dad said in The Wheel of Time:
@George-K Get the books. I am up to The Shadow Rising and am engrossed. I think you will like it, just bear with the first book...
Thanks LuFins-Dad!
What with the crappy weather (too hot!), I'm way behind on my audio reading. The "Full Cast" recording of Dune is wearing thin, and I'm up to the part where Paul Muad'dib is in the desert with his mother, and she's going to teach the "weirding ways" to Stilgar.
It was at this point that I remember I got bored with the first book. This is where it all started to get a bit to messianic for my taste.
I think I'll give up after another hour or so, unless it really engrosses me again, though I'm not optimistic (see my "Have you ever given up on a book" comments).
If WoT is that good, I'm willing to give it a shot, with the understanding that the first book is a "meh."
Thanks for the update.
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@LuFins-Dad said in The Wheel of Time:
@George-K Get the books. I am up to The Shadow Rising and am engrossed. I think you will like it, just bear with the first book...
Thanks LuFins-Dad!
What with the crappy weather (too hot!), I'm way behind on my audio reading. The "Full Cast" recording of Dune is wearing thin, and I'm up to the part where Paul Muad'dib is in the desert with his mother, and she's going to teach the "weirding ways" to Stilgar.
It was at this point that I remember I got bored with the first book. This is where it all started to get a bit to messianic for my taste.
I think I'll give up after another hour or so, unless it really engrosses me again, though I'm not optimistic (see my "Have you ever given up on a book" comments).
If WoT is that good, I'm willing to give it a shot, with the understanding that the first book is a "meh."
Thanks for the update.
@George-K What pushed me over the edge to try it is the Amazon Prime series. I will probably watch it, but didn’t want my opinion shaped by the series.
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@Aqua-Letifer @Doctor-Phibes Okay, just finished Knife of Dreams. I can only assume that Jordan received his diagnosis sometime in the middle of writing this book? There were like 10 long running storylines that were resolved very quickly and suddenly. In some cases, it felt like they were even abandoned just so he could get to the final story.
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By the way, this series was definitely better as an audio book than on the written page. As I was cleaning out my office, I found that I had a copy of Wheel of Time that I had started years ago but abandoned due to all of the strange spellings. I always hated when fantasy authors just add a whole bunch of letters and apostrophes to make names and places sound more exotic...
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Premiered this weekend. I guess they dropped the first three episodes.
Anyone see it yet?
Reviews, for what it's worth, are mixed.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Luke and I are planning on watching when he gets back next week. I have low expectations.
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I watched the first couple, and thought it was OK. They seemed to make a number of rather unnecessary changes, and it’s really rushing along, but I think I will watch the rest. They’re going to have to cut quite a bit out, I think.
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Premiered this weekend. I guess they dropped the first three episodes.
Anyone see it yet?
Reviews, for what it's worth, are mixed.
@george-k said in The Wheel of Time:
Reviews, for what it's worth, are mixed.
The reviews I’ve seen were clearly written by people who hadn’t read the books. Complaining about it being derivative of Tolkien is like complaining about there being sex scenes in Lady Chatterley.
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@george-k said in The Wheel of Time:
Reviews, for what it's worth, are mixed.
The reviews I’ve seen were clearly written by people who hadn’t read the books. Complaining about it being derivative of Tolkien is like complaining about there being sex scenes in Lady Chatterley.
@doctor-phibes said in The Wheel of Time:
The reviews I’ve seen were clearly written by people who hadn’t read the books.
As I said, I haven't read the books. The book/film debate is decades old, of course.
Look no further than the Dune franchise to see how well, and badly, it can be done.
Look no further than Foundation to see how almost unrelated to the book it can be.
I watched the first 15 minutes and it just didn't move me. I'll pass for now.
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Read the books and loved them.
Hard pass on this B.S.
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No interest. For some reason the promotional material with Rosamund Pike turned me off. I think I'm intimidated by strong women.
@horace said in The Wheel of Time:
I think I'm intimidated by strong women.
Part of the point of the whole damn series is that sometimes strong women are okay, and sometimes they fuck things up, just like dudes. Handing over the societal keys to feminazis is a lateral move.
No chance this point, which was very much belabored in the books, is in any way referenced in the show.
Please love yourself.
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@horace said in The Wheel of Time:
I think I'm intimidated by strong women.
Part of the point of the whole damn series is that sometimes strong women are okay, and sometimes they fuck things up, just like dudes. Handing over the societal keys to feminazis is a lateral move.
No chance this point, which was very much belabored in the books, is in any way referenced in the show.
@aqua-letifer said in The Wheel of Time:
@horace said in The Wheel of Time:
I think I'm intimidated by strong women.
Part of the point of the whole damn series is that sometimes strong women are okay, and sometimes they fuck things up, just like dudes. Handing over the societal keys to feminazis is a lateral move.
No chance this point, which was very much belabored in the books, is in any way referenced in the show.
Not today…
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@horace said in The Wheel of Time:
I think I'm intimidated by strong women.
Part of the point of the whole damn series is that sometimes strong women are okay, and sometimes they fuck things up, just like dudes. Handing over the societal keys to feminazis is a lateral move.
No chance this point, which was very much belabored in the books, is in any way referenced in the show.
@aqua-letifer said in The Wheel of Time:
@horace said in The Wheel of Time:
I think I'm intimidated by strong women.
Part of the point of the whole damn series is that sometimes strong women are okay, and sometimes they fuck things up, just like dudes. Handing over the societal keys to feminazis is a lateral move.
No chance this point, which was very much belabored in the books, is in any way referenced in the show.
I didn't get that from the first couple of episodes. The reds were pretty much portrayed as feminazis in the short clip featuring them. I was expecting it to be more PC than it appeared, at least in the first episode.
It's at least worth a look before writing it off completely.
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@aqua-letifer said in The Wheel of Time:
@horace said in The Wheel of Time:
I think I'm intimidated by strong women.
Part of the point of the whole damn series is that sometimes strong women are okay, and sometimes they fuck things up, just like dudes. Handing over the societal keys to feminazis is a lateral move.
No chance this point, which was very much belabored in the books, is in any way referenced in the show.
I didn't get that from the first couple of episodes. The reds were pretty much portrayed as feminazis in the short clip featuring them. I was expecting it to be more PC than it appeared, at least in the first episode.
It's at least worth a look before writing it off completely.
@doctor-phibes said in The Wheel of Time:
@aqua-letifer said in The Wheel of Time:
@horace said in The Wheel of Time:
I think I'm intimidated by strong women.
Part of the point of the whole damn series is that sometimes strong women are okay, and sometimes they fuck things up, just like dudes. Handing over the societal keys to feminazis is a lateral move.
No chance this point, which was very much belabored in the books, is in any way referenced in the show.
I didn't get that from the first couple of episodes. The reds were pretty much portrayed as feminazis in the short clip featuring them. I was expecting it to be more PC than it appeared, at least in the first episode.
It's at least worth a look before writing it off completely.
Meh, just through Episode 1 and I don’t know how they can
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square Perin’s story arc.
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@doctor-phibes said in The Wheel of Time:
@aqua-letifer said in The Wheel of Time:
@horace said in The Wheel of Time:
I think I'm intimidated by strong women.
Part of the point of the whole damn series is that sometimes strong women are okay, and sometimes they fuck things up, just like dudes. Handing over the societal keys to feminazis is a lateral move.
No chance this point, which was very much belabored in the books, is in any way referenced in the show.
I didn't get that from the first couple of episodes. The reds were pretty much portrayed as feminazis in the short clip featuring them. I was expecting it to be more PC than it appeared, at least in the first episode.
It's at least worth a look before writing it off completely.
Meh, just through Episode 1 and I don’t know how they can
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square Perin’s story arc.
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@lufins-dad said in The Wheel of Time:
Meh, just through Episode 1 and I don’t know how they can
Your post was very reminiscent of the books in that it suddenly stopped about 80% of the way through.
For some reason I can't see the spoiler.
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@Doctor-Phibes Yeah, I can’t either. I recall something about the spoilers being down.
There were a few casting choices I didn’t care for, Lan and Tam primarily. While it felt odd at first for the Two Rivers to be populated by Indochinese , I was able to check my white privilege at the door and get past that. I don’t like where they have Perrin and Matrim at, though. I also didn’t feel the connection between these 3 Taveeren.
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I just finished the second episode. It was as meh as I remembered the first one… Of course, the books improved over time, maybe the show does, too?
