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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #2

    BTW, the current weekly episode (WW2, chronilogically done, week-by-week):

    Link to video

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • Doctor PhibesD Online
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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote on last edited by
      #3

      I saw a chess channel the bots recently stopped. The guy theorized it might be because he'd said '...and white is clearly better'. He tried appealing, but the appeal process is managed by bots, too.

      I was only joking

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      • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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        Aqua Letifer
        wrote on last edited by
        #4

        A guy I follow for photography recently made a video summarizing his trip to central Africa, taking portraits of a tribe there. (Interesting story, actually, not what you'd expect.) It was taken down and demonetized. He appealed, and after awhile it was allowed to stay posted, but still demonetized.

        I watched it a few times to try to figure out what the problem could have been. Even read the closed captioning. All I can figure is that he mentioned that he's a white guy and tried to be respectful of the tribe while he was there.

        Please love yourself.

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #5

          Because of the subject matter (Hitler, Mussolini, genocide, etc.) the WW2 Channel has been demonetized so much, they don't even try to fight anymore. Time Ghost is their umbrella organization and it's supported by private donations.

          The host of WW2, Indy Nidel, was also the host of The Great War Channel (highly recommended) that did WW1 week-by-week. After Indy and Spartacus left, the channel has tried to carry on, since a lot of the aftermath of WW1 is very interesting (Russian Revolution, Balkan troubles, soldiers trying to assimilate in a post-war economy), but they are having much the same problem with being demonetized.

          That brings up the question...Since YouTube is well aware of what their bots are doing, why are they letting them do it?

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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            Aqua Letifer
            wrote on last edited by
            #6

            @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

            That brings up the question...Since YouTube is well aware of what their bots are doing, why are they letting them do it?

            Because both the channels and the viewers are the product, which they sell to their advertisers. Channels are a dime a dozen—everyone still has Casey Neistat delusions about the platform. New would-be influencers start channels bu the thousands, every day. And they won't be for want of new viewers for a long while to come.

            Basically they have no incentive to keep the content creators or the viewers happy. So let's just continue to provide a space where advertisers feel comfortable showing their ads so YouTube keeps raking it in.

            They'd have to be far less ham-fisted if there ever became a serious contender, or interest began to implode due to these policies. Until then, don't count on any changes.

            Please love yourself.

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            • AxtremusA Offline
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              Axtremus
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              #7

              Don’t like YouTube?
              Host the video on your own website.
              Or use one of many alternatives; here’s a list to get you started: https://medium.com/@breadnbeyond/12-finest-youtube-alternatives-to-find-out-whats-not-on-youtube-cdb6109ff4d3

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #8

                Ah yes, the usual "let's not address or examine the problem" on any huge website, let's just find something else.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • Doctor PhibesD Online
                  Doctor PhibesD Online
                  Doctor Phibes
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                  #9

                  It will only get fixed if YouTube starts losing users. If it doesn't, there's zero motivation for them to do anything.

                  I was only joking

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                  • AxtremusA Offline
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                    Axtremus
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #10

                    Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Online
                      Doctor PhibesD Online
                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #11

                      I don't think government intervention or regulation would fix this. Also, this isn't just about the US.

                      I was only joking

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                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                        Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                        JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #12

                        @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                        Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                        A totally unfettered free market is predatory and unsustainable.

                        But you knew that already...

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #13

                          It is not regulation that is the problem but excessive and unnecessary regulation that stifles rather than supports a healthy marketplace.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Online
                            Doctor PhibesD Online
                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #14

                            The whole idea of YouTube is such a new concept, and most of the time it works really well. OK, it's not perfect, but you can't legislate perfection.

                            I was only joking

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                              Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                              A totally unfettered free market is predatory and unsustainable.

                              But you knew that already...

                              AxtremusA Offline
                              AxtremusA Offline
                              Axtremus
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                              @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                              @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                              Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                              A totally unfettered free market is predatory and unsustainable.

                              But you knew that already...

                              Sure, go ahead and tell me what government regulations you would like to put in place in this instance.

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                              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                                @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                                A totally unfettered free market is predatory and unsustainable.

                                But you knew that already...

                                Sure, go ahead and tell me what government regulations you would like to put in place in this instance.

                                JollyJ Offline
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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #16

                                @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                                @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                                A totally unfettered free market is predatory and unsustainable.

                                But you knew that already...

                                Sure, go ahead and tell me what government regulations you would like to put in place in this instance.

                                Why waste my time? We know where you stand. We know where I stand.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                  @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                                  @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                  Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                                  A totally unfettered free market is predatory and unsustainable.

                                  But you knew that already...

                                  Sure, go ahead and tell me what government regulations you would like to put in place in this instance.

                                  Why waste my time? We know where you stand. We know where I stand.

                                  AxtremusA Offline
                                  AxtremusA Offline
                                  Axtremus
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #17

                                  @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                                  @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                  @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                                  @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                  Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                                  A totally unfettered free market is predatory and unsustainable.

                                  But you knew that already...

                                  Sure, go ahead and tell me what government regulations you would like to put in place in this instance.

                                  Why waste my time? We know where you stand. We know where I stand.

                                  I don't know where you stand. For example, you haven't really say whether you prefer government regulations to free market mechanisms in this instance, much less articulating any policy remedy you would like to see.

                                  LarryL 1 Reply Last reply
                                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                    Don’t like YouTube?
                                    Host the video on your own website.
                                    Or use one of many alternatives; here’s a list to get you started: https://medium.com/@breadnbeyond/12-finest-youtube-alternatives-to-find-out-whats-not-on-youtube-cdb6109ff4d3

                                    Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                    Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                    Aqua Letifer
                                    wrote on last edited by Aqua Letifer
                                    #18

                                    @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                    Don’t like YouTube?
                                    Host the video on your own website.
                                    Or use one of many alternatives; here’s a list to get you started: https://medium.com/@breadnbeyond/12-finest-youtube-alternatives-to-find-out-whats-not-on-youtube-cdb6109ff4d3

                                    Uh, no.

                                    Choosing a monetized content platform isn't like buying free-range eggs. YouTube algorithm changes can affect unemployment benefit numbers, and how many small businesses go under each quarter. They're that big. And they do this by marketing one way and acting another.

                                    Say you signed a contract with a marketing company to promote your business's next event. They agree to do X, Y, and Z to promote it on such-and-such days, provided you give them the assets to use for the promotion. Your company spends hours and hours on the assets, because the event is your business's largest revenue source. Now, three days into the promotion, the marketing company ghosts you. They don't return calls, there's no one over there to speak with, and there's no promotion whatsoever, now and forever. You're officially screwed.

                                    That's pretty much the experience creators and small publishers have with YouTube. They can spend years building up a following, and their revenue from their videos can fall to 0 any time they wake up in the morning. YouTube markets themselves as a place where creators get paid for their work. They never mention that the algorithm can destroy your financial future if you go all in on the platform—because going all in is exactly what they want you to do.

                                    And before you attack this, I'd like to know the largest YouTube platform you've created content for and get back to me on how much you think you know.

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                    • Doctor PhibesD Online
                                      Doctor PhibesD Online
                                      Doctor Phibes
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #19

                                      I'd definitely be in favour of more transparency and openness from these sites regarding how they handle these things.

                                      I was only joking

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                                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                        @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                                        @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                        @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                                        @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                        Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                                        A totally unfettered free market is predatory and unsustainable.

                                        But you knew that already...

                                        Sure, go ahead and tell me what government regulations you would like to put in place in this instance.

                                        Why waste my time? We know where you stand. We know where I stand.

                                        I don't know where you stand. For example, you haven't really say whether you prefer government regulations to free market mechanisms in this instance, much less articulating any policy remedy you would like to see.

                                        LarryL Offline
                                        LarryL Offline
                                        Larry
                                        wrote on last edited by
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                                        @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                        @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                                        @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                        @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                                        @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                        Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                                        A totally unfettered free market is predatory and unsustainable.

                                        But you knew that already...

                                        Sure, go ahead and tell me what government regulations you would like to put in place in this instance.

                                        Why waste my time? We know where you stand. We know where I stand.

                                        I don't know where you stand. For example, you haven't really say whether you prefer government regulations to free market mechanisms in this instance, much less articulating any policy remedy you would like to see.

                                        Funny how you crow about free market mechanisms in this instance as if you have some sort of principled view yet when it comes to something YOU favor, such as health care, you become a fucking communist and want the government to step in and take it over completely.

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                                        • AxtremusA Offline
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                                          Axtremus
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                                          #21

                                          @Aqua-Letifer I won't attack what you wrote above at all. I know there is no guarantee regarding YouTube's algorithm, or any platform's algorithm for that matter ... Amazon, Google, Apple, FaceBook, Microsoft, none of them gives any guarantee about how their search or recommendation algorithm would rank any product/content.

                                          So what do you want to do? Is there a specific policy you'd like to propose to deal with the above?

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