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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #5

    Because of the subject matter (Hitler, Mussolini, genocide, etc.) the WW2 Channel has been demonetized so much, they don't even try to fight anymore. Time Ghost is their umbrella organization and it's supported by private donations.

    The host of WW2, Indy Nidel, was also the host of The Great War Channel (highly recommended) that did WW1 week-by-week. After Indy and Spartacus left, the channel has tried to carry on, since a lot of the aftermath of WW1 is very interesting (Russian Revolution, Balkan troubles, soldiers trying to assimilate in a post-war economy), but they are having much the same problem with being demonetized.

    That brings up the question...Since YouTube is well aware of what their bots are doing, why are they letting them do it?

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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      Aqua Letifer
      wrote on last edited by
      #6

      @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

      That brings up the question...Since YouTube is well aware of what their bots are doing, why are they letting them do it?

      Because both the channels and the viewers are the product, which they sell to their advertisers. Channels are a dime a dozen—everyone still has Casey Neistat delusions about the platform. New would-be influencers start channels bu the thousands, every day. And they won't be for want of new viewers for a long while to come.

      Basically they have no incentive to keep the content creators or the viewers happy. So let's just continue to provide a space where advertisers feel comfortable showing their ads so YouTube keeps raking it in.

      They'd have to be far less ham-fisted if there ever became a serious contender, or interest began to implode due to these policies. Until then, don't count on any changes.

      Please love yourself.

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      • AxtremusA Offline
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        Axtremus
        wrote on last edited by
        #7

        Don’t like YouTube?
        Host the video on your own website.
        Or use one of many alternatives; here’s a list to get you started: https://medium.com/@breadnbeyond/12-finest-youtube-alternatives-to-find-out-whats-not-on-youtube-cdb6109ff4d3

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #8

          Ah yes, the usual "let's not address or examine the problem" on any huge website, let's just find something else.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on last edited by
            #9

            It will only get fixed if YouTube starts losing users. If it doesn't, there's zero motivation for them to do anything.

            I was only joking

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            • AxtremusA Offline
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              Axtremus
              wrote on last edited by
              #10

              Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

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              • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on last edited by
                #11

                I don't think government intervention or regulation would fix this. Also, this isn't just about the US.

                I was only joking

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                  JollyJ Offline
                  JollyJ Offline
                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #12

                  @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                  Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                  A totally unfettered free market is predatory and unsustainable.

                  But you knew that already...

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #13

                    It is not regulation that is the problem but excessive and unnecessary regulation that stifles rather than supports a healthy marketplace.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #14

                      The whole idea of YouTube is such a new concept, and most of the time it works really well. OK, it's not perfect, but you can't legislate perfection.

                      I was only joking

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                        Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                        A totally unfettered free market is predatory and unsustainable.

                        But you knew that already...

                        AxtremusA Offline
                        AxtremusA Offline
                        Axtremus
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #15

                        @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                        @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                        Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                        A totally unfettered free market is predatory and unsustainable.

                        But you knew that already...

                        Sure, go ahead and tell me what government regulations you would like to put in place in this instance.

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                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                          @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                          @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                          Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                          A totally unfettered free market is predatory and unsustainable.

                          But you knew that already...

                          Sure, go ahead and tell me what government regulations you would like to put in place in this instance.

                          JollyJ Offline
                          JollyJ Offline
                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #16

                          @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                          @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                          @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                          Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                          A totally unfettered free market is predatory and unsustainable.

                          But you knew that already...

                          Sure, go ahead and tell me what government regulations you would like to put in place in this instance.

                          Why waste my time? We know where you stand. We know where I stand.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                          AxtremusA 1 Reply Last reply
                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                            @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                            @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                            Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                            A totally unfettered free market is predatory and unsustainable.

                            But you knew that already...

                            Sure, go ahead and tell me what government regulations you would like to put in place in this instance.

                            Why waste my time? We know where you stand. We know where I stand.

                            AxtremusA Offline
                            AxtremusA Offline
                            Axtremus
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #17

                            @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                            @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                            @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                            @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                            Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                            A totally unfettered free market is predatory and unsustainable.

                            But you knew that already...

                            Sure, go ahead and tell me what government regulations you would like to put in place in this instance.

                            Why waste my time? We know where you stand. We know where I stand.

                            I don't know where you stand. For example, you haven't really say whether you prefer government regulations to free market mechanisms in this instance, much less articulating any policy remedy you would like to see.

                            LarryL 1 Reply Last reply
                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              Don’t like YouTube?
                              Host the video on your own website.
                              Or use one of many alternatives; here’s a list to get you started: https://medium.com/@breadnbeyond/12-finest-youtube-alternatives-to-find-out-whats-not-on-youtube-cdb6109ff4d3

                              Aqua LetiferA Offline
                              Aqua LetiferA Offline
                              Aqua Letifer
                              wrote on last edited by Aqua Letifer
                              #18

                              @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                              Don’t like YouTube?
                              Host the video on your own website.
                              Or use one of many alternatives; here’s a list to get you started: https://medium.com/@breadnbeyond/12-finest-youtube-alternatives-to-find-out-whats-not-on-youtube-cdb6109ff4d3

                              Uh, no.

                              Choosing a monetized content platform isn't like buying free-range eggs. YouTube algorithm changes can affect unemployment benefit numbers, and how many small businesses go under each quarter. They're that big. And they do this by marketing one way and acting another.

                              Say you signed a contract with a marketing company to promote your business's next event. They agree to do X, Y, and Z to promote it on such-and-such days, provided you give them the assets to use for the promotion. Your company spends hours and hours on the assets, because the event is your business's largest revenue source. Now, three days into the promotion, the marketing company ghosts you. They don't return calls, there's no one over there to speak with, and there's no promotion whatsoever, now and forever. You're officially screwed.

                              That's pretty much the experience creators and small publishers have with YouTube. They can spend years building up a following, and their revenue from their videos can fall to 0 any time they wake up in the morning. YouTube markets themselves as a place where creators get paid for their work. They never mention that the algorithm can destroy your financial future if you go all in on the platform—because going all in is exactly what they want you to do.

                              And before you attack this, I'd like to know the largest YouTube platform you've created content for and get back to me on how much you think you know.

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #19

                                I'd definitely be in favour of more transparency and openness from these sites regarding how they handle these things.

                                I was only joking

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                                  @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                  @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                                  @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                  Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                                  A totally unfettered free market is predatory and unsustainable.

                                  But you knew that already...

                                  Sure, go ahead and tell me what government regulations you would like to put in place in this instance.

                                  Why waste my time? We know where you stand. We know where I stand.

                                  I don't know where you stand. For example, you haven't really say whether you prefer government regulations to free market mechanisms in this instance, much less articulating any policy remedy you would like to see.

                                  LarryL Offline
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                                  Larry
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #20

                                  @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                  @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                                  @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                  @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                                  @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                  Maybe @Jolly prefers government regulations to free market mechanisms.

                                  A totally unfettered free market is predatory and unsustainable.

                                  But you knew that already...

                                  Sure, go ahead and tell me what government regulations you would like to put in place in this instance.

                                  Why waste my time? We know where you stand. We know where I stand.

                                  I don't know where you stand. For example, you haven't really say whether you prefer government regulations to free market mechanisms in this instance, much less articulating any policy remedy you would like to see.

                                  Funny how you crow about free market mechanisms in this instance as if you have some sort of principled view yet when it comes to something YOU favor, such as health care, you become a fucking communist and want the government to step in and take it over completely.

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                                  • AxtremusA Offline
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                                    Axtremus
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #21

                                    @Aqua-Letifer I won't attack what you wrote above at all. I know there is no guarantee regarding YouTube's algorithm, or any platform's algorithm for that matter ... Amazon, Google, Apple, FaceBook, Microsoft, none of them gives any guarantee about how their search or recommendation algorithm would rank any product/content.

                                    So what do you want to do? Is there a specific policy you'd like to propose to deal with the above?

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                                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                      @Aqua-Letifer I won't attack what you wrote above at all. I know there is no guarantee regarding YouTube's algorithm, or any platform's algorithm for that matter ... Amazon, Google, Apple, FaceBook, Microsoft, none of them gives any guarantee about how their search or recommendation algorithm would rank any product/content.

                                      So what do you want to do? Is there a specific policy you'd like to propose to deal with the above?

                                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                      Aqua Letifer
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #22

                                      @Axtremus said in You can't post this.:

                                      @Aqua-Letifer I won't attack what you wrote above at all. I know there is no guarantee regarding YouTube's algorithm, or any platform's algorithm for that matter ... Amazon, Google, Apple, FaceBook, Microsoft, none of them gives any guarantee about how their search or recommendation algorithm would rank any product/content.

                                      So what do you want to do? Is there a specific policy you'd like to propose to deal with the above?

                                      There needs to be at least a process within YouTube for dealing with censorship outside of "this video triggered the algorithm in ways we won't explain to you, and no you can't talk to anybody about it." More humans have to get involved for starters. Which means the process would take a lot longer and there'd be a backlog. Good! Only the most egregious stuff should be censored anyway, so severity and number of infractions should dictate what they choose to follow up with.

                                      Really, though, YouTube had its fun, and what we truly need is some competition.

                                      Please love yourself.

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                                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                        I'd definitely be in favour of more transparency and openness from these sites regarding how they handle these things.

                                        JollyJ Offline
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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #23

                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in You can't post this.:

                                        I'd definitely be in favour of more transparency and openness from these sites regarding how they handle these things.

                                        And that's what most of the content creators went. Just give them some firm rules and don't keep changing the goalposts.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in You can't post this.:

                                          I'd definitely be in favour of more transparency and openness from these sites regarding how they handle these things.

                                          And that's what most of the content creators went. Just give them some firm rules and don't keep changing the goalposts.

                                          Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                          Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                          Aqua Letifer
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #24

                                          @Jolly said in You can't post this.:

                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in You can't post this.:

                                          I'd definitely be in favour of more transparency and openness from these sites regarding how they handle these things.

                                          And that's what most of the content creators went. Just give them some firm rules and don't keep changing the goalposts.

                                          Problem with that is that it is political, to some extent. Companies don't want to have their ads associated with the Bad People of the Month, so they have to move the goalposts necessarily to ensure that.

                                          Please love yourself.

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