“Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.”

[taiwan_girl]

If there is this "pivot" going on, what was happening during the four years of President Trump?

[Horace]

@taiwan_girl said in “Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.”:

If there is this "pivot" going on, what was happening during the four years of President Trump?

Some people are under the impression that the institutional cultures in those agencies were largely against him. How about you, do you think they were all supportive of their CEO? That the culture is one of service to their boss, whomever that boss may be? That would be an interesting perspective.

[Horace]

@taiwan_girl said in “Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.”:

If there is this "pivot" going on, what was happening during the four years of President Trump?

@89th based on your knowledge of FBI culture during Trump's presidency, how would you characterize their attitude towards him?

[Jolly]

Culture shift accelerated during Obama.

[taiwan_girl]

@Horace said in “Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.”:

hat the culture is one of service to their boss, whomever that boss may be?

I don't think so in US companies or agencies. If you have a long time employee (20 year plus) and a new CEO comes in, I think the time to change the mind of that person.

And in a goverment agency when there is a new "CEO" every four years or so, it will be even more difficult.

The employee will say, "This head of the agency will be gone in XX years. I will still be here. Etc "

[Horace]

@taiwan_girl said in “Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.”:

@Horace said in “Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.”:

hat the culture is one of service to their boss, whomever that boss may be?

I don't think so in US companies or agencies. If you have a long time employee (20 year plus) and a new CEO comes in, I think the time to change the mind of that person.

And in a goverment agency when there is a new "CEO" every four years or so, it will be even more difficult.

The employee will say, "This head of the agency will be gone in XX years. I will still be here. Etc "

In the military and law enforcement, part of your job is respect for those up the food chain.

[89th]

@Horace said in “Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.”:

@taiwan_girl said in “Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.”:

If there is this "pivot" going on, what was happening during the four years of President Trump?

@89th based on your knowledge of FBI culture during Trump's presidency, how would you characterize their attitude towards him?

I have experience (direct and indirect) with a number of government agencies. I can tell you at FBI and others there is most certainly a paramount culture of service towards the country as well as respective the executive (President) regardless of party. This includes during Trump’s term. That being said, Trump’s antics towards the latter part of his term was usually met with eye rolls in the hallway or over lunch, but nonetheless employees carrying out their duties as normal.

Indeed the idea that agencies have been “weaponized” is mainly a catchy characterization to rally those on the right or just to get clicks. Nothing nefarious of the sort is happening. Looking back in 10 or 20 years and the only stories you’ll remember are Covid and the Trump refusal to accept his election loss.

[Jolly]

Bubble vision.

[George K]

@89th said in “Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.”:

I have experience (direct and indirect) with a number of government agencies. I can tell you at FBI and others there is most certainly a paramount culture of service towards the country as well as respective the executive (President) regardless of party.

Rank and file, perhaps.

Leadership? Not so much:

This:

“[Trump’s] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!” Page texted Strzok.

“No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it,” Strzok responded.

Wray's comments on targeting Catholic Churches.

And the other perjurers, Comey and McCabe.

The fish rots from the head.

[Horace]

Where I work, the rank and file could sometimes be heard randomly bleating out "fuck Trump!" in widely attended meetings, if a random conversational context called for it.