Police State
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@Catseye3 said in Police State:
@Horace said in Police State:
Those are the sorts of posts that boil down to you expressing a wish that people shut up about certain things, Cats.
Not my intention. I don't feel anything like that harsh. Rather, Loki sounds like he needs to refresh his soul.
Loki, I was not telling you to shut up.
I get out often and am quite happy. For all the critical thinking we teach kids in school it just amazes me how much worse the one sided has become. The irony is incredible.
I would prefer we left Portland alone and let the rioters do their thing. That would be the best lesson of all. I thought the CHAZ dystopia would teach people but we need another one in Portland combined with increasing deaths and the bills to come due for all the cities and all the damage done by riots.
Budgets are already being cut as a result. The first victims will be in education and healthcare as the governors are essentially ministers of health and education.
Loss of tax base due to businesses shuttered due to riots, and then the repair bills. If the Moms and Dads want to pay for it through increased taxes I am for that too.
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@Horace said in Police State:
You were telling him that by talking about those things, he betrayed a soul in need of refreshing. You were shaming him for talking about whatever it is that you would prefer people not talk about.
That's how I saw it too.
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@Axtremus said in Police State:
@Jolly said in Police State:
Cut off all Federal aid, withdraw all Federal officers and judiciary.
Do they get to stop paying into the federal treasury too?
There is a price to be paid for being weird.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Jolly said in Police State:
@Axtremus said in Police State:
@Jolly said in Police State:
Cut off all Federal aid, withdraw all Federal officers and judiciary.
Do they get to stop paying into the federal treasury too?
There is a price to be paid for being weird.
Go ahead and find Constitutional support for the state to exact a price from the weird.
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This time, it’s the “wall of vets”, as in military veterans forming a human wall to protect the protesters.
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Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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The Leaf Blower Dads, too, along with ‘walls’ of lawyers, nurses, teachers, chefs, etc.
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A group of self-identified Portland dads, inspired by the “Wall of Moms” that forms a protective human shield at the front of nightly protests near the Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse, set out to help clear the air at protests by arming themselves with leaf blowers. They are known collectively as “DadBloc” and “Leaf-Blower Dads” and turn up to the protests wearing orange shirts to compliment the moms’ yellow ones. Each night, their numbers have swelled.On Friday, they were joined by other burgeoning groups — the veteran-led Wall of Vets, green-shirted Teachers Against Tyrants, the pizza-box carrying ChefBloc, health-care workers in scrubs and Lawyers for Black Lives, who turned up at the protest in suits and ties.
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"Oregon Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum filed a lawsuit on July 17 against the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the U.S. Marshals Service, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the Federal Protection Service and their agents. In it, she alleged that federal officers in the city of Portland have acted unlawfully by seizing and detaining Oregonians without probable cause, and she sought a restraining order that would temporarily stop them from using such tactics.
"On Friday, U.S. District Judge Michael Mosman denied that request.
"Mosman wrote that . . . most fundamentally, because it has not shown it is vindicating an interest that is specific to the state itself — I find the State of Oregon lacks standing here and therefore deny its request for a temporary restraining order," he concluded."
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Time to send in some biker gangs
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@Catseye3 said in Police State:
@Jolly said in Police State:
Turns out many of the vets were not vets.
But they are Americans.
Good. Next time identify yourself as a pro football player.
Never trust a liar...
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@Catseye3 said in Police State:
"Oregon Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum filed a lawsuit on July 17 against the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the U.S. Marshals Service, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the Federal Protection Service and their agents. In it, she alleged that federal officers in the city of Portland have acted unlawfully by seizing and detaining Oregonians without probable cause, and she sought a restraining order that would temporarily stop them from using such tactics.
"On Friday, U.S. District Judge Michael Mosman denied that request.
"Mosman wrote that . . . most fundamentally, because it has not shown it is vindicating an interest that is specific to the state itself — I find the State of Oregon lacks standing here and therefore deny its request for a temporary restraining order," he concluded."
The Feds most definitively have a role in protecting Federal property such as a courthouse, especially when state or local law enforcement cannot or will not protect that property.
People have already been charged by the U.S. District Attorney with arson in Portland. A nice five year sentence may give them time to think about their misdeeds...
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Jolly said in Police State:
People have already been charged by the U.S. District Attorney with arson in Portland.
KEZI.com: "The offices of the Inspector General for both the Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security agreed earlier this week to open investigations into the tactics of federal law enforcement during the Portland protests." https://www.kdrv.com/content/news/US-Inspectors-General-agree-to-investigate-federal-officers-in-Portland-571882951.html
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I'm actually confused as to the Portland situation. What federal troops are there that have a right to be there? (This is not argumentative, I really don't know.) What troops are there whose presence is at best problematical? Which Trump has solved -- as if by magic! -- by referring to the protesters as 'terrorists'.
Sorry, Donald. Not.
What specific insights have made it to the press from protesters about specifically what they are protesting about, specifically? How many are there? What is the ratio of protester to cop? How many of the protesters are inflicting damage to property, federal or otherwise?
To what degree is the press so bollixing up the coverage that we have no hope of getting a clear picture of what is really going on? If it bleeds it leads, right?
It's a mess, IMO.
But a priority action has to be getting unauthorized federal-level law enforcement out of the area.
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@Axtremus said in Police State:
The Leaf Blower Dads, too, along with ‘walls’ of lawyers, nurses, teachers, chefs, etc.
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A group of self-identified Portland dads, inspired by the “Wall of Moms” that forms a protective human shield at the front of nightly protests near the Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse, set out to help clear the air at protests by arming themselves with leaf blowers. They are known collectively as “DadBloc” and “Leaf-Blower Dads” and turn up to the protests wearing orange shirts to compliment the moms’ yellow ones. Each night, their numbers have swelled.On Friday, they were joined by other burgeoning groups — the veteran-led Wall of Vets, green-shirted Teachers Against Tyrants, the pizza-box carrying ChefBloc, health-care workers in scrubs and Lawyers for Black Lives, who turned up at the protest in suits and ties.
— — — —All that virtue in one place!
OMG
I'm going to swoon!
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@Catseye3 said in Police State:
I'm actually confused as to the Portland situation. What federal troops are there that have a right to be there? (This is not argumentative, I really don't know.) What troops are there whose presence is at best problematical? Which Trump has solved -- as if by magic! -- by referring to the protesters as 'terrorists'.
Sorry, Donald. Not.
What specific insights have made it to the press from protesters about specifically what they are protesting about, specifically? How many are there? What is the ratio of protester to cop? How many of the protesters are inflicting damage to property, federal or otherwise?
To what degree is the press so bollixing up the coverage that we have no hope of getting a clear picture of what is really going on? If it bleeds it leads, right?
It's a mess, IMO.
But a priority action has to be getting unauthorized federal-level law enforcement out of the area.
There is no federal unauthorized law enforcement in the area. The state has no say, when it comes to protecting federal property. And, if a city cannot control its inhabitants, and exists in a state of semi-anarchy, the Feds have the authority to quell that disturbance, whether the city wants them there or not.
Those questions were permanently set red at Appomattox.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Jolly said in Police State:
And, if a city cannot control its inhabitants, and exists in a state of semi-anarchy, the Feds have the authority to quell that disturbance, whether the city wants them there or not.
What's the authority? And which agencies? "The feds" doesn't mean anybody on one federal payroll or another.
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As for Trump calling the Antifa terrorists? They are.
Google up their handbook and do a bit of reading. They are socialists, perhaps communists, certainly anarchists, and do not mind overthrowing the government by violent means.
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