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  • H Horace
    22 Jul 2020, 16:39

    You will never convince me this is not all fun and games for those people.

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    Loki
    wrote on 22 Jul 2020, 18:03 last edited by
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    @Horace said in Police State:

    You will never convince me this is not all fun and games for those people.

    There is definitely a troubling aspect to federal forces engaging with citizens but no doubt this is also very much a rhetorical was and the left is looking past real anarchists doing millions in damage as if that doesn’t matter.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 22 Jul 2020, 18:07 last edited by
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      It's ok to criticize both those things, Loki.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        Horace
        wrote on 22 Jul 2020, 18:07 last edited by
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        I will never be clear about how true the emotions are that people lay claim to publicly when they know those alleged emotions are rhetorical evidence that the point they're making really matters. But "deeply troubling" tends to be a communicable emotional state that doesn't have to be based on anything real, so I suppose the emotions could just as easily be real. Claiming to feel them is really just claiming to have been told by your tribe that you should be feeling them.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • J jon-nyc
          22 Jul 2020, 18:07

          It's ok to criticize both those things, Loki.

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          Loki
          wrote on 22 Jul 2020, 18:56 last edited by
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          @jon-nyc said in Police State:

          It's ok to criticize both those things, Loki.

          That’s all I am asking for. The media to show both issues side by side. I agree 100% with you.

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            Loki
            wrote on 22 Jul 2020, 18:59 last edited by
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            While we are on the topic and we show umarked people in unmarked vans let’s show pictures of the rioters in black with storm trooper helmets and their outfits as well side by side. Looks like two armies to me.

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              Catseye3
              wrote on 22 Jul 2020, 19:01 last edited by
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              Loki. Turn off the TV and take a walk. Pick a nice route with nice trees and a pretty sky and other nice things to look at.

              You need dis.

              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                Horace
                wrote on 22 Jul 2020, 19:02 last edited by
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                Those are the sorts of posts that boil down to you expressing a wish that people shut up about certain things, Cats.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • H Horace
                  22 Jul 2020, 19:02

                  Those are the sorts of posts that boil down to you expressing a wish that people shut up about certain things, Cats.

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                  Catseye3
                  wrote on 22 Jul 2020, 19:05 last edited by
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                  @Horace said in Police State:

                  Those are the sorts of posts that boil down to you expressing a wish that people shut up about certain things, Cats.

                  Not my intention. I don't feel anything like that harsh. Rather, Loki sounds like he needs to refresh his soul.

                  Loki, I was not telling you to shut up.

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                    Horace
                    wrote on 22 Jul 2020, 19:08 last edited by
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                    You were telling him that by talking about those things, he betrayed a soul in need of refreshing. You were shaming him for talking about whatever it is that you would prefer people not talk about.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      Catseye3
                      wrote on 22 Jul 2020, 19:09 last edited by
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                      Your interpretation is wrong.

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      • C Catseye3
                        22 Jul 2020, 19:05

                        @Horace said in Police State:

                        Those are the sorts of posts that boil down to you expressing a wish that people shut up about certain things, Cats.

                        Not my intention. I don't feel anything like that harsh. Rather, Loki sounds like he needs to refresh his soul.

                        Loki, I was not telling you to shut up.

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                        Loki
                        wrote on 22 Jul 2020, 19:11 last edited by
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                        @Catseye3 said in Police State:

                        @Horace said in Police State:

                        Those are the sorts of posts that boil down to you expressing a wish that people shut up about certain things, Cats.

                        Not my intention. I don't feel anything like that harsh. Rather, Loki sounds like he needs to refresh his soul.

                        Loki, I was not telling you to shut up.

                        I get out often and am quite happy. For all the critical thinking we teach kids in school it just amazes me how much worse the one sided has become. The irony is incredible.

                        I would prefer we left Portland alone and let the rioters do their thing. That would be the best lesson of all. I thought the CHAZ dystopia would teach people but we need another one in Portland combined with increasing deaths and the bills to come due for all the cities and all the damage done by riots.

                        Budgets are already being cut as a result. The first victims will be in education and healthcare as the governors are essentially ministers of health and education.

                        Loss of tax base due to businesses shuttered due to riots, and then the repair bills. If the Moms and Dads want to pay for it through increased taxes I am for that too.

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                        • H Horace
                          22 Jul 2020, 19:08

                          You were telling him that by talking about those things, he betrayed a soul in need of refreshing. You were shaming him for talking about whatever it is that you would prefer people not talk about.

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                          Larry
                          wrote on 22 Jul 2020, 19:13 last edited by
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                          @Horace said in Police State:

                          You were telling him that by talking about those things, he betrayed a soul in need of refreshing. You were shaming him for talking about whatever it is that you would prefer people not talk about.

                          That's how I saw it too.

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                          • A Axtremus
                            22 Jul 2020, 17:27

                            @Jolly said in Police State:

                            Cut off all Federal aid, withdraw all Federal officers and judiciary.

                            Do they get to stop paying into the federal treasury too?

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 22 Jul 2020, 19:34 last edited by
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                            @Axtremus said in Police State:

                            @Jolly said in Police State:

                            Cut off all Federal aid, withdraw all Federal officers and judiciary.

                            Do they get to stop paying into the federal treasury too?

                            There is a price to be paid for being weird.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • J Jolly
                              22 Jul 2020, 19:34

                              @Axtremus said in Police State:

                              @Jolly said in Police State:

                              Cut off all Federal aid, withdraw all Federal officers and judiciary.

                              Do they get to stop paying into the federal treasury too?

                              There is a price to be paid for being weird.

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                              Axtremus
                              wrote on 26 Jul 2020, 04:47 last edited by
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                              @Jolly said in Police State:

                              @Axtremus said in Police State:

                              @Jolly said in Police State:

                              Cut off all Federal aid, withdraw all Federal officers and judiciary.

                              Do they get to stop paying into the federal treasury too?

                              There is a price to be paid for being weird.

                              Go ahead and find Constitutional support for the state to exact a price from the weird.

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                                Axtremus
                                wrote on 26 Jul 2020, 04:53 last edited by
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                                https://www.huffpost.com/entry/wall-of-vets-portland-protests_n_5f1c7ba6c5b69fd4730d37f7?guccounter=1

                                This time, it’s the “wall of vets”, as in military veterans forming a human wall to protect the protesters.

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                                  Rainman
                                  wrote on 26 Jul 2020, 05:31 last edited by
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                                  Atta Boy, Ax!

                                  And what some don't realize, is that this Wall of Vets represents 100% of all veterinarians, everywhere!

                                  Another home run. Thanks Bud!!

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                                  • R Rainman
                                    26 Jul 2020, 05:31

                                    Atta Boy, Ax!

                                    And what some don't realize, is that this Wall of Vets represents 100% of all veterinarians, everywhere!

                                    Another home run. Thanks Bud!!

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 26 Jul 2020, 11:14 last edited by
                                    #86

                                    @Rainman said in Police State:

                                    Atta Boy, Ax!

                                    And what some don't realize, is that this Wall of Vets represents 100% of all veterinarians, everywhere!

                                    Another home run. Thanks Bud!!

                                    Turns out many of the vets were not vets...Imagine that...

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      Axtremus
                                      wrote on 26 Jul 2020, 12:00 last edited by
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                                      The Leaf Blower Dads, too, along with ‘walls’ of lawyers, nurses, teachers, chefs, etc.
                                      — — — —
                                      A group of self-identified Portland dads, inspired by the “Wall of Moms” that forms a protective human shield at the front of nightly protests near the Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse, set out to help clear the air at protests by arming themselves with leaf blowers. They are known collectively as “DadBloc” and “Leaf-Blower Dads” and turn up to the protests wearing orange shirts to compliment the moms’ yellow ones.
Each night, their numbers have swelled.

                                      On Friday, they were joined by other burgeoning groups — the veteran-led Wall of Vets, green-shirted Teachers Against Tyrants, the pizza-box carrying ChefBloc, health-care workers in scrubs and Lawyers for Black Lives, who turned up at the protest in suits and ties.
                                      — — — —

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                                        Catseye3
                                        wrote on 26 Jul 2020, 12:02 last edited by Catseye3
                                        #88

                                        "Oregon Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum filed a lawsuit on July 17 against the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the U.S. Marshals Service, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the Federal Protection Service and their agents. In it, she alleged that federal officers in the city of Portland have acted unlawfully by seizing and detaining Oregonians without probable cause, and she sought a restraining order that would temporarily stop them from using such tactics.

                                        "On Friday, U.S. District Judge Michael Mosman denied that request.

                                        "Mosman wrote that . . . most fundamentally, because it has not shown it is vindicating an interest that is specific to the state itself — I find the State of Oregon lacks standing here and therefore deny its request for a temporary restraining order," he concluded."

                                        https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=895285174

                                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                        • J Jolly
                                          26 Jul 2020, 11:14

                                          @Rainman said in Police State:

                                          Atta Boy, Ax!

                                          And what some don't realize, is that this Wall of Vets represents 100% of all veterinarians, everywhere!

                                          Another home run. Thanks Bud!!

                                          Turns out many of the vets were not vets...Imagine that...

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                                          Catseye3
                                          wrote on 26 Jul 2020, 12:21 last edited by
                                          #89

                                          @Jolly said in Police State:

                                          Turns out many of the vets were not vets.

                                          But they are Americans.

                                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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