Police State
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SecDef concerned about Trump’s thugs dressing like soldiers.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/21/esper-federal-agents-military-protests-376381
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There have been conflicting reports about federal agents in camouflage and unmarked vehicles detaining protesters in Portland, Ore., without cause. This comes on the heels of scenes of federal officers, outfitted in blue shirts and tactical vests but no official patches or badges, protecting facilities in Washington, D.C., in June. The events have called into question the role of federal law enforcement and how it intersects with traditional policing.
While many federal law enforcement agencies are investigative in nature and have special agents, not police officers, some do have a more traditional police role. The Secret Service Uniformed Division has been in operation since 1922 and provides traditional law enforcement services around the White House and foreign embassies in the U.S. Its agents conduct operations around the president and other dignitaries, including K-9, explosive ordnance disposal, and counter-assault teams. The Capitol Police is approximately 1,500 police officers strong and functions much like a traditional police department. Many other agencies have uniformed police officers as well, including the FBI, whose police officers protect the agency’s headquarters, FBI Academy in Quantico, Va., and its enormous field offices in Washington and New York.
But recent videos of federal agents in Portland detaining suspects has sparked debate, and critics of President Trump and Attorney General William Barr are making analogies to secret military operations and private armies. Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) said “they are snatching people off the street with no underlying justification.” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) referred to federal agents in Portland as “Stormtroopers” in a tweet. Said Juan Chavez, director of the civil rights project at the Oregon Justice Resource Center: “It’s like stop and frisk meets Guantanamo Bay.” This is nonsense.
The federal building and courthouse in Portland have been under assault by demonstrators for more than two weeks. In addition to the “mere graffiti” that opponents of the federal response have pointed to, there has been substantial damage to windows and doors; protesters have attempted to set fire to the facility; and federal agents attempting to stop the violence have been assaulted while the protestors blind them with laser lights. Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler has sided with the protesters and told Portland police to back down. Last week he told the acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf to send the federal agents away.
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@Larry said in Police State:
. Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) said “they are snatching people off the street with no underlying justification.”
And the deputy director of the force confirmed it yesterday.
By the way, if all they were doing is beefing up security around federal building I’d have no problems with it.
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Also from the article that Jon cited: "Trump threatened to send additional agents into other major cities, including New York City and Philadelphia, if the "liberal Democrats" in charge don't tamp down on civil unrest."
When you combine this with the Guardian article excerpts I posted yesterday, it forms a disturbing thought picture. Whether the actions contemplated there come to pass, it is, how shall I say, scary but not surprising. But scary.
Edited to Add: From today's CNN headlines: "The strange and frightening images of unidentified military-looking men taking protesters off the streets of Portland, Oregon, and into unmarked vans may be headed to a city near you if that city is, as President Donald Trump declared Monday, run by "liberal Democrats."
This is . . . not a good look for a country that's supposed to be an open society. And it's particularly distressing that the President is openly threatening cities based on the political affiliations of their leaders.
"The teams of masked authorities seen in Portland dressed up for war like special forces apparently belong to the Department of Homeland Security's Customs and Border Protection Unit . . . they've been dispatched to American streets."
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@jon-nyc said in Police State:
@Larry said in Police State:
. Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) said “they are snatching people off the street with no underlying justification.”
And the deputy director of the force confirmed it yesterday.
By the way, if all they were doing is beefing up security around federal building I’d have no problems with it.
So I disproved all your claims but one and you're clinging to that one by the skin on your teeth.
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@Catseye3 said in Police State:
Also from the article that Jon cited: "Trump threatened to send additional agents into other major cities, including New York City and Philadelphia, if the "liberal Democrats" in charge don't tamp down on civil unrest."
When you combine this with the Guardian article excerpts I posted yesterday, it forms a disturbing thought picture. Whether the actions contemplated there come to pass, it is, how shall I say, scary but not surprising. But scary.
That's his job. It's time to start killing them. Kill a few and you'll see the problem end in ten minutes.
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What claims did I make? Can you link to them?
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I think you’re in cognitive decline.
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@Catseye3 said in Police State:
Also from the article that Jon cited: "Trump threatened to send additional agents into other major cities, including New York City and Philadelphia, if the "liberal Democrats" in charge don't tamp down on civil unrest."
When you combine this with the Guardian article excerpts I posted yesterday, it forms a disturbing thought picture. Whether the actions contemplated there come to pass, it is, how shall I say, scary but not surprising. But scary.
Edited to Add: From today's CNN headlines: "The strange and frightening images of unidentified military-looking men taking protesters off the streets of Portland, Oregon, and into unmarked vans may be headed to a city near you if that city is, as President Donald Trump declared Monday, run by "liberal Democrats."
This is . . . not a good look for a country that's supposed to be an open society. And it's particularly distressing that the President is openly threatening cities based on the political affiliations of their leaders.
"The teams of masked authorities seen in Portland dressed up for war like special forces apparently belong to the Department of Homeland Security's Customs and Border Protection Unit . . . they've been dispatched to American streets."
Truly, what the hell is wrong with your brain?
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@jon-nyc said in Police State:
I think you’re in cognitive decline.
Im not the one in cognitive decline. The claim youre making is that federal troops went into portland dressed like military soldier, wearing no identification, and began snatching innocent civilians off the street at random and stuffing them into unmarked vans. That paints a very nasty picture. A picture the Left wants painted. But its a bare assed lie. Every fucking word of it. I proved that.
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Random observations:
Many of the jack-booted thugs are probably ICE folks that aren’t used to dealing with citizens with video cameras.
This was a strategic error for DHS. They’ll never get the Trump stink off of themselves and they’ll pay for it when the Dems control government again.
Trump poured gasoline on a dwindling flame. Too stupid to realize that? Or is that an electoral strategy?
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Larry, I think the weight of Trump’s pannus on your forehead for 4 years is taking its toll.
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@jon-nyc said in Police State:
Trump poured gasoline on a dwindling flame. Too stupid to realize that? Or is that an electoral strategy?
What keeps drumming in my head is what he said during the Senate trial: "I always find a way to win."
I think Trump will do anything to stay in the White House because of what awaits him when his term is done, and I think he doesn't care how he does it.
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@jon-nyc said in Police State:
Larry, I think the weight of Trump’s pannus on your forehead for 4 years is taking its toll.
No Jon, I think you're projecting.
You said
"Many of the jack-booted thugs are probably ICE folks that aren’t used to dealing with citizens with video cameras.This was a strategic error for DHS. They’ll never get the Trump stink off it they’ll pay for it when the Dems control government again.
Trump poured gasoline on a dwindling flame. Too stupid to realize that? Or is that an electoral strategy?"
They aren't "Jack booted thugs". Nor are they ICE agents. Both of those things are Leftwing propaganda, and you either suck the stuff up like a hog eating swill or you must don't know any better. They are in fact a well trained division of federal police. The uniforms they wear are the uniforms they always wear, and have worn since their division was established back in ( I think) the 1920s. The uniform has a clearly visible insignia identifying who and what they are.
As for "paying for it when the dems control government again"... we will ALL pay. The democrat party died. It CANT control government again. If the current Marxist party that has cooped it's name ever gets control of government, this division of federal police will be the least of your problems.
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@Catseye3 said in Police State:
@jon-nyc said in Police State:
Trump poured gasoline on a dwindling flame. Too stupid to realize that? Or is that an electoral strategy?
What keeps drumming in my head is what he said during the Senate trial: "I always find a way to win."
I think Trump will do anything to stay in the White House because of what awaits him when his term is done, and I think he doesn't care how he does it.
Then you need to stop thinking. It obviously isn't something you're not very good at.
Jesus H. Christ.
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