California homelessness survey
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 02:03 last edited by
https://calmatters.org/housing/2023/06/california-homeless-growth-report/
Spoiler alert: lack of money is the most cited reason for why some one becomes homeless.
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 02:29 last edited by
I'd say more likely is lack of mental ability.
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 02:37 last edited by
If it could have been solved by money it would no longer be a problem.
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https://calmatters.org/housing/2023/06/california-homeless-growth-report/
Spoiler alert: lack of money is the most cited reason for why some one becomes homeless.
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 03:05 last edited by
82% [of homeless surveyed] believed a one-time payment of between $5,000 and $10,000 would have [kept them from being homeless].
I like how that story presents this as if it's a serious piece of data.
A quick google indicates CA spends 3.2 billion per year, to support 500k homeless. That's $6400 each. I bet their results aren't as good as an 80% reduction in homelessness.
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That seems like (to use Aristotle’s taxonomy of causes) the efficient cause, though the final cause could be addiction or something else.
wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 03:07 last edited by@Jon said in California homelessness survey:
That seems like (to use Aristotle’s taxonomy of causes) the efficient cause, though the final cause could be addiction or something else.
Yeah, it's similar to the old saw about cardiac arrest being the cause of all deaths. If your heart is beating, you're alive, and if you have money, you can have a roof over your head.
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 03:07 last edited by
If you are around very many homeless people, you find out very quickly that the vast majority are drug abusers, mentally ill or both. Yes, there are single moms with kids or even families, but that's the exceptions.
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 03:09 last edited by
The homeless encampments are commonly referred to as "open air drug markets".
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 03:26 last edited by
Shellenberger popularized that term. And its a very good description.
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 04:09 last edited by
I don’t know how the people in the tenderloin or skid row were able to fill out a survey.
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That seems like (to use Aristotle’s taxonomy of causes) the efficient cause, though the final cause could be addiction or something else.
wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 10:27 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Jon said in California homelessness survey:
That seems like (to use Aristotle’s taxonomy of causes)...
Are you absolutely sure you've got a girlfriend?
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If you are around very many homeless people, you find out very quickly that the vast majority are drug abusers, mentally ill or both. Yes, there are single moms with kids or even families, but that's the exceptions.
wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 10:58 last edited by Axtremus@Jolly said in California homelessness survey:
If you are around very many homeless people, you find out very quickly that the vast majority are drug abusers, mentally ill or both.
With regards to mental illness and drug abuse, and also addressing @Jon’s comment, the article mentions that one of the survey’s findings seems to be that many became mentally ill or started abusing drugs after they became homeless. The progression is more like loss/reduction of income
homelessness drug abuse and/or mental illness. -
wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 11:02 last edited by Axtremus
@Mik said in California homelessness survey:
If it could have been solved by money it would no longer be a problem.
That’s true only if you have the money to solve your problem or whoever has (control of) the money is willing to spend the money to solve your problem.
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82% [of homeless surveyed] believed a one-time payment of between $5,000 and $10,000 would have [kept them from being homeless].
I like how that story presents this as if it's a serious piece of data.
A quick google indicates CA spends 3.2 billion per year, to support 500k homeless. That's $6400 each. I bet their results aren't as good as an 80% reduction in homelessness.
wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 12:06 last edited by@Horace I’d guess 60 -70% of that goes to bureaucratic administration of the funds.
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@Jon said in California homelessness survey:
That seems like (to use Aristotle’s taxonomy of causes)...
Are you absolutely sure you've got a girlfriend?
wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 12:37 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in California homelessness survey:
@Jon said in California homelessness survey:
That seems like (to use Aristotle’s taxonomy of causes)...
Are you absolutely sure you've got a girlfriend?
Yes but she's a math teacher.
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 12:38 last edited by
@xenon said in California homelessness survey:
I don’t know how the people in the tenderloin or skid row were able to fill out a survey.
Good point, built in sample bias. If you're high as a kite staring into space, you probably aren't answering questions to some survey taker.
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@Jolly said in California homelessness survey:
If you are around very many homeless people, you find out very quickly that the vast majority are drug abusers, mentally ill or both.
With regards to mental illness and drug abuse, and also addressing @Jon’s comment, the article mentions that one of the survey’s findings seems to be that many became mentally ill or started abusing drugs after they became homeless. The progression is more like loss/reduction of income
homelessness drug abuse and/or mental illness.wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 13:06 last edited by@Axtremus said in California homelessness survey:
@Jolly said in California homelessness survey:
If you are around very many homeless people, you find out very quickly that the vast majority are drug abusers, mentally ill or both.
With regards to mental illness and drug abuse, and also addressing @Jon’s comment, the article mentions that one of the survey’s findings seems to be that many became mentally ill or started abusing drugs after they became homeless. The progression is more like loss/reduction of income
homelessness drug abuse and/or mental illness.Granted, my personal sample size is only a few hundred and it's regional, but I stand by my original statement.