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  • AxtremusA Axtremus

    https://calmatters.org/housing/2023/06/california-homeless-growth-report/

    Spoiler alert: lack of money is the most cited reason for why some one becomes homeless.

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    @Axtremus

    That seems like (to use Aristotle’s taxonomy of causes) the efficient cause, though the final cause could be addiction or something else.

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      Horace
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      82% [of homeless surveyed] believed a one-time payment of between $5,000 and $10,000 would have [kept them from being homeless].

      I like how that story presents this as if it's a serious piece of data.

      A quick google indicates CA spends 3.2 billion per year, to support 500k homeless. That's $6400 each. I bet their results aren't as good as an 80% reduction in homelessness.

      Education is extremely important.

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        @Axtremus

        That seems like (to use Aristotle’s taxonomy of causes) the efficient cause, though the final cause could be addiction or something else.

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        @Jon said in California homelessness survey:

        @Axtremus

        That seems like (to use Aristotle’s taxonomy of causes) the efficient cause, though the final cause could be addiction or something else.

        Yeah, it's similar to the old saw about cardiac arrest being the cause of all deaths. If your heart is beating, you're alive, and if you have money, you can have a roof over your head.

        Education is extremely important.

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          If you are around very many homeless people, you find out very quickly that the vast majority are drug abusers, mentally ill or both. Yes, there are single moms with kids or even families, but that's the exceptions.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            The homeless encampments are commonly referred to as "open air drug markets".

            Education is extremely important.

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              Jon
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              Shellenberger popularized that term. And its a very good description.

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                xenon
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                I don’t know how the people in the tenderloin or skid row were able to fill out a survey.

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                • JonJ Jon

                  @Axtremus

                  That seems like (to use Aristotle’s taxonomy of causes) the efficient cause, though the final cause could be addiction or something else.

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                  @Jon said in California homelessness survey:

                  @Axtremus

                  That seems like (to use Aristotle’s taxonomy of causes)...

                  Are you absolutely sure you've got a girlfriend?

                  I was only joking

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    If you are around very many homeless people, you find out very quickly that the vast majority are drug abusers, mentally ill or both. Yes, there are single moms with kids or even families, but that's the exceptions.

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                    Axtremus
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                    @Jolly said in California homelessness survey:

                    If you are around very many homeless people, you find out very quickly that the vast majority are drug abusers, mentally ill or both.

                    With regards to mental illness and drug abuse, and also addressing @Jon’s comment, the article mentions that one of the survey’s findings seems to be that many became mentally ill or started abusing drugs after they became homeless. The progression is more like loss/reduction of income ➡ homelessness ➡ drug abuse and/or mental illness.

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                    • MikM Mik

                      If it could have been solved by money it would no longer be a problem.

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                      @Mik said in California homelessness survey:

                      If it could have been solved by money it would no longer be a problem.

                      That’s true only if you have the money to solve your problem or whoever has (control of) the money is willing to spend the money to solve your problem.

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        82% [of homeless surveyed] believed a one-time payment of between $5,000 and $10,000 would have [kept them from being homeless].

                        I like how that story presents this as if it's a serious piece of data.

                        A quick google indicates CA spends 3.2 billion per year, to support 500k homeless. That's $6400 each. I bet their results aren't as good as an 80% reduction in homelessness.

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                        @Horace I’d guess 60 -70% of that goes to bureaucratic administration of the funds.

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                          @Jon said in California homelessness survey:

                          @Axtremus

                          That seems like (to use Aristotle’s taxonomy of causes)...

                          Are you absolutely sure you've got a girlfriend?

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                          @Doctor-Phibes said in California homelessness survey:

                          @Jon said in California homelessness survey:

                          @Axtremus

                          That seems like (to use Aristotle’s taxonomy of causes)...

                          Are you absolutely sure you've got a girlfriend?

                          Yes but she's a math teacher.

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                          • X xenon

                            I don’t know how the people in the tenderloin or skid row were able to fill out a survey.

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                            @xenon said in California homelessness survey:

                            I don’t know how the people in the tenderloin or skid row were able to fill out a survey.

                            Good point, built in sample bias. If you're high as a kite staring into space, you probably aren't answering questions to some survey taker.

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              @Jolly said in California homelessness survey:

                              If you are around very many homeless people, you find out very quickly that the vast majority are drug abusers, mentally ill or both.

                              With regards to mental illness and drug abuse, and also addressing @Jon’s comment, the article mentions that one of the survey’s findings seems to be that many became mentally ill or started abusing drugs after they became homeless. The progression is more like loss/reduction of income ➡ homelessness ➡ drug abuse and/or mental illness.

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                              @Axtremus said in California homelessness survey:

                              @Jolly said in California homelessness survey:

                              If you are around very many homeless people, you find out very quickly that the vast majority are drug abusers, mentally ill or both.

                              With regards to mental illness and drug abuse, and also addressing @Jon’s comment, the article mentions that one of the survey’s findings seems to be that many became mentally ill or started abusing drugs after they became homeless. The progression is more like loss/reduction of income ➡ homelessness ➡ drug abuse and/or mental illness.

                              Granted, my personal sample size is only a few hundred and it's regional, but I stand by my original statement.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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