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The Chinese “just ran rings around us"

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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
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    Which we knew, or should have known, a very long time ago.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • 89th8 Offline
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      #3

      Reminds me of this story:

      Link to video

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #4

        We don't build anything anymore.

        And, as much as it pains me to say it, if we're gonna give the Ukrainians munitions, we need to be damn sure we ain't shorting ourselves. Our production lines should have already been ramped up.

        We've closed Avondale shipyards, and that ain't the only one. Our chip manufacturing capacity is woeful. Our steel manufacturing capacity is beyond awful. Our munitions production couldn't carry us for anything more than a month or two...And I doubt that.

        I don't give a red rat's ass, but this country need to do whatever it takes - and I'm looking at you, tariffs - to get business on board with domestic production. I don't care if we have to go into the trust busting business, tear apart a few large, multinational banks or kick every ass on Wall Street.

        Not to mention, we ain't the world's 911 response center. Other nations need to do their part to counter clear and present dangers to aggression around the world.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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          #5

          As everybody knows I hate to be cynical, but it's very much in the military's interest for the US to do badly in these simulations.

          I was only joking

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Not this badly, though...

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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              Doctor Phibes
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              #7

              I remain highly skeptical. Telling the press about how awful the US military is if it's actually awful doesn't really make sense.

              I was only joking

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              • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                I dont know if the war-game takes into account economic factors, which in the war-game above, would be just devastating for mainland China.

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  #9

                  China just killed almost seven MILLION people without regret or admitting responsibility and the world did nothing. You think they give a rolling red rat's ass about the economical consequences of conquering Taiwan?

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    Yes, I do.

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                    • AxtremusA Offline
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                      "Bad for the country" and "bad for the leader(s)" can be very different things depending on the country and the leader.

                      For dictators, the deterrence need to be "bad for the leader(s)" rather than "bad for the country" to be effective.

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                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                        Yes, I do.

                        JollyJ Offline
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                        @taiwan_girl said in The Chinese “just ran rings around us":

                        Yes, I do.

                        Then I would postulate you are living in denial.

                        The Chinese will worry about the economic consequences of conquering Taiwan just a wee bit more than they worried about tightening the screws on Hong Kong or running one of the largest slavery enterprises on the planet.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          @taiwan_girl said in The Chinese “just ran rings around us":

                          Yes, I do.

                          Then I would postulate you are living in denial.

                          The Chinese will worry about the economic consequences of conquering Taiwan just a wee bit more than they worried about tightening the screws on Hong Kong or running one of the largest slavery enterprises on the planet.

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                          @Jolly said in The Chinese “just ran rings around us":

                          @taiwan_girl said in The Chinese “just ran rings around us":

                          Yes, I do.

                          Then I would postulate you are living in denial.

                          The Chinese will worry about the economic consequences of conquering Taiwan just a wee bit more than they worried about tightening the screws on Hong Kong or running one of the largest slavery enterprises on the planet.

                          Hmm, HK and the internal slavery issues are just that, internal and quite a bit different than moving into Taiwan. There were no real economic consequences to either of those situations you describe. Using Russia and Ukraine as an example - Russia has been very strong in suppressing and eliminating freedoms internally over the past decade or so. Other countries may dislike and make a statement, but nothing other than that was done. Invasion of Ukraine brought a much different response. I would hope that the world would respond similarly if China attempted the same with Taiwan.

                          I do think that @Axtremus has a good point. The Chinese leadership has not yet moved into the dictatorship role. Yes, at the last 5 year Congress, President Xi definitely consolidated his power, and has surrounded himself with a lot of "yes" men, but I do not think the Chinese leadership is quite at the point of only looking out for themselves as individuals, and have forgotten the consequences upon the country overall. While I may not agree with them, they are not quite to the point of Premier Kim in DPRK, who definitely puts himself above the country.

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