The Chinese “just ran rings around us"
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Wargames...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/09/america-weapons-china-00100373
The war began in the early morning hours with a massive bombardment — China’s version of “shock and awe.” Chinese planes and rockets swiftly destroyed most of Taiwan’s navy and air force as the People’s Liberation army and navy mounted a massive amphibious assault across the 100-mile Taiwan Strait. Having taken seriously President Joe Biden’s pledge to defend the island, Beijing also struck pre-emptively at U.S. and allied air bases and ships in the Indo-Pacific. The U.S. managed to even the odds for a time by deploying more sophisticated submarines as well as B-21 and B-2 stealth bombers to get inside China’s air defense zones, but Washington ran out of key munitions in a matter of days and saw its network access severed. The United States and its main ally, Japan, lost thousands of servicemembers, dozens of ships, and hundreds of aircraft. Taiwan’s economy was devastated. And as a protracted siege ensued, the U.S. was much slower to rebuild, taking years to replace ships as it reckoned with how shriveled its industrial base had become compared to China’s.
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Reminds me of this story:
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We don't build anything anymore.
And, as much as it pains me to say it, if we're gonna give the Ukrainians munitions, we need to be damn sure we ain't shorting ourselves. Our production lines should have already been ramped up.
We've closed Avondale shipyards, and that ain't the only one. Our chip manufacturing capacity is woeful. Our steel manufacturing capacity is beyond awful. Our munitions production couldn't carry us for anything more than a month or two...And I doubt that.
I don't give a red rat's ass, but this country need to do whatever it takes - and I'm looking at you, tariffs - to get business on board with domestic production. I don't care if we have to go into the trust busting business, tear apart a few large, multinational banks or kick every ass on Wall Street.
Not to mention, we ain't the world's 911 response center. Other nations need to do their part to counter clear and present dangers to aggression around the world.
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As everybody knows I hate to be cynical, but it's very much in the military's interest for the US to do badly in these simulations.
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I remain highly skeptical. Telling the press about how awful the US military is if it's actually awful doesn't really make sense.
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I dont know if the war-game takes into account economic factors, which in the war-game above, would be just devastating for mainland China.
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Yes, I do.
@taiwan_girl said in The Chinese “just ran rings around us":
Yes, I do.
Then I would postulate you are living in denial.
The Chinese will worry about the economic consequences of conquering Taiwan just a wee bit more than they worried about tightening the screws on Hong Kong or running one of the largest slavery enterprises on the planet.
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@taiwan_girl said in The Chinese “just ran rings around us":
Yes, I do.
Then I would postulate you are living in denial.
The Chinese will worry about the economic consequences of conquering Taiwan just a wee bit more than they worried about tightening the screws on Hong Kong or running one of the largest slavery enterprises on the planet.
@Jolly said in The Chinese “just ran rings around us":
@taiwan_girl said in The Chinese “just ran rings around us":
Yes, I do.
Then I would postulate you are living in denial.
The Chinese will worry about the economic consequences of conquering Taiwan just a wee bit more than they worried about tightening the screws on Hong Kong or running one of the largest slavery enterprises on the planet.
Hmm, HK and the internal slavery issues are just that, internal and quite a bit different than moving into Taiwan. There were no real economic consequences to either of those situations you describe. Using Russia and Ukraine as an example - Russia has been very strong in suppressing and eliminating freedoms internally over the past decade or so. Other countries may dislike and make a statement, but nothing other than that was done. Invasion of Ukraine brought a much different response. I would hope that the world would respond similarly if China attempted the same with Taiwan.
I do think that @Axtremus has a good point. The Chinese leadership has not yet moved into the dictatorship role. Yes, at the last 5 year Congress, President Xi definitely consolidated his power, and has surrounded himself with a lot of "yes" men, but I do not think the Chinese leadership is quite at the point of only looking out for themselves as individuals, and have forgotten the consequences upon the country overall. While I may not agree with them, they are not quite to the point of Premier Kim in DPRK, who definitely puts himself above the country.
