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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    For reasons ‘self evident’ that he’ll go into detail on in his Friday column.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      He's restarting 'The Dish'

      https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/07/andrew-sullivan-see-you-next-friday.html

      Only non-witches get due process.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        He's restarting 'The Dish'

        https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/07/andrew-sullivan-see-you-next-friday.html

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        @jon-nyc said in And Andrew Sullivan is leaving NY Mag:

        He's restarting 'The Dish'

        https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/07/andrew-sullivan-see-you-next-friday.html

        I miss a readership that truly was eclectic — left, liberal, centrist, right, reactionary — and that loved to be challenged by me and by each other.

        Notice how that spectrum starts with "left" and ends with "reactionary." Perhaps a better description, or a more honest one would be "radical, left, centrist, right, reactionary."

        But, he's a self-described liberal, so I can understand him not wanting to characterize the extreme to the left as "radical."

        By the way, I always enjoyed his take on things, even though I disagreed with a fair number of them.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          He's a self-described conservative. When he uses liberal it's in the British sense.

          He was a protege of Michael Oakeshott.

          He'll happily call the wokefolk radical.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            I miss a readership that truly was eclectic

            The devil's greatest trick was to convince the world he didn't exist. Er, I mean, the left's greatest trick was to convince the left that they are the free thinkers.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              He's a self-described conservative. When he uses liberal it's in the British sense.

              He was a protege of Michael Oakeshott.

              He'll happily call the wokefolk radical.

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              @jon-nyc said in And Andrew Sullivan is leaving NY Mag:

              He's a self-described conservative.

              "I support legalized drugs, criminal-justice reform, more redistribution of wealth, aggressive action against climate change, police reform, a realist foreign policy, and laws to protect transgender people from discrimination. "

              So "self-described" really doesn't mean much, does it?

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                I support more redistribution of wealth for entirely conservative reasons. Mainly to preserve political support for the capitalist system, which I truly believe is the least bad way of organizing society

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  I support more redistribution of wealth for entirely conservative reasons. Mainly to preserve political support for the capitalist system, which I truly believe is the least bad way of organizing society

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                  @jon-nyc +1

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
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                    Funny given this conversation

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      Sullivan on cancel culture, his departure and the fear of others being canceled.>.

                      https://spectator.us/andrew-sullivan-run-new-york-times/

                      It’s never a good sign when you’re watching a scene of street terror in yet another gut-churning YouTube video and you find yourself thinking: ‘Hang on a minute, that’s around the corner from my apartment!’ But there’s a now infamous video from last week where a mob of enraged millennials with their fists pumped in the air surrounded a lone young woman sitting outside a Washington restaurant where I often eat. Like a scene from the Cultural Revolution, the crowd demanded she shout certain slogans and raise her clenched fist in solidarity — or be damned as a racist. Most of her fellow diners took the path of least resistance. She wouldn’t. The chants grew louder: ‘White silence is violence!’ They started screaming in her face. She wouldn’t cave. Wokeness, in case you hadn’t noticed, has entered a more intense phase. Not so long ago, you were canceled for something you did or said or wrote. Now you’re canceled just for saying absolutely nothing at all.

                      I had a much milder experience of this during the past week when the New York Times decided to run a profile of me. The hook was that I was forced to leave New York magazine last month because, according to the NYT, I had not publicly recanted editing an issue of the New Republic published…in 1994. The issue was a symposium on The Bell Curve, a book by Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein that explored the connection between IQ, class, social mobility and race. My crime was to arrange a symposium around an extract, with 13 often stinging critiques published alongside it. The fact I had not recanted that decision did not, mind you, prevent TIME, the Atlantic, Newsweek, the NYT and New York magazine from publishing me in the following years. But suddenly, a decision I made a quarter of a century ago required my being canceled. The NYT reporter generously gave me a chance to apologize and recant, and when I replied that I thought the role of genetics in intelligence among different human populations was still an open question, he had his headline: ‘I won’t stop reading Andrew Sullivan, but I can’t defend him.’ In other words, the media reporter in America’s paper of record said he could not defend a writer because I refused to say something I don’t believe. He said this while arguing that I was ‘one of the most influential journalists of the last three decades’. To be fair to him, he would have had no future at the NYT if he had not called me an indefensible racist. His silence on that would have been as unacceptable to his woke bosses as my refusal to recant. But this is where we now are. A reporter is in fear of being canceled if he doesn’t cancel someone else. This is America returning to its roots. As in Salem.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        And...he's right.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Agreed

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                            If white silence is violence, then I guess we can start beating up folk on the street next then, right?

                            Please love yourself.

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                              You mean you haven’t started?

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                                Sticks and stones will break my bones, and words, and silence, and white men dead for over 100 years, and pillows, and cans of beans, and chicken sandwiches will always wound me.

                                The Brad

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                                  LuFins Dad
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                                  Oh, forgot about the OK 👌 sign.

                                  The Brad

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                                    Some things are worse than the orange man. And a large part of his appeal was his opposition to exactly this sort of stuff.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • MikM Away
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                                      The hallmark of the left these past four years has been overplaying its hand. This fits right in.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        I support more redistribution of wealth for entirely conservative reasons. Mainly to preserve political support for the capitalist system, which I truly believe is the least bad way of organizing society

                                        MikM Away
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                                        Mik
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                                        @jon-nyc said in And Andrew Sullivan is leaving NY Mag:

                                        I support more redistribution of wealth for entirely conservative reasons. Mainly to preserve political support for the capitalist system, which I truly believe is the least bad way of organizing society

                                        How would you do that?

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          I would agree in principle based on the tendency for technology to concentrate wealth, and that technology is a product of the market system. When someone invents something that concentrates wealth all to themselves, you'd want your society to forcibly redistribute that. Or people will get angry and start rioting.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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