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  • HoraceH Horace

    @LuFins-Dad I don't see why you have to worry about it. If a shopper wants to shop by price and quality, they can continue to do so. One's individual purchase isn't going to make a difference politically anyway.

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    @Horace said in Public Sq.:

    @LuFins-Dad I don't see why you have to worry about it. If a shopper wants to shop by price and quality, they can continue to do so. One's individual purchase isn't going to make a difference politically anyway.

    I have to worry about it because at some point some potential customer is going to say “oh, you’re not on Public Square. We’re not going to deal with you” and another customer is going to say “Oh, your company doesn’t have pride events. We’re not going to give you this school contract.”

    It’s ridiculous what the left has done. The answer is not to outdo them on the right. You have a company step over your personal boundaries? Great. Boycott them. But forcing businesses to follow your exact moral compass? Screw you. And that is exactly what this is trying to do. My business is not on one side or the other. We take money to provide instruments, service, and music education. End of story.

    The Brad

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    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

      @Horace said in Public Sq.:

      @LuFins-Dad I don't see why you have to worry about it. If a shopper wants to shop by price and quality, they can continue to do so. One's individual purchase isn't going to make a difference politically anyway.

      I have to worry about it because at some point some potential customer is going to say “oh, you’re not on Public Square. We’re not going to deal with you” and another customer is going to say “Oh, your company doesn’t have pride events. We’re not going to give you this school contract.”

      It’s ridiculous what the left has done. The answer is not to outdo them on the right. You have a company step over your personal boundaries? Great. Boycott them. But forcing businesses to follow your exact moral compass? Screw you. And that is exactly what this is trying to do. My business is not on one side or the other. We take money to provide instruments, service, and music education. End of story.

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      @LuFins-Dad said in Public Sq.:

      @Horace said in Public Sq.:

      @LuFins-Dad I don't see why you have to worry about it. If a shopper wants to shop by price and quality, they can continue to do so. One's individual purchase isn't going to make a difference politically anyway.

      I have to worry about it because at some point some potential customer is going to say “oh, you’re not on Public Square. We’re not going to deal with you” and another customer is going to say “Oh, your company doesn’t have pride events. We’re not going to give you this school contract.”

      It’s ridiculous what the left has done. The answer is not to outdo them on the right. You have a company step over your personal boundaries? Great. Boycott them. But forcing businesses to follow your exact moral compass? Screw you. And that is exactly what this is trying to do. My business is not on one side or the other. We take money to provide instruments, service, and music education. End of story.

      I understand it gets more complicated as a business manager. I was only talking about the consumer side of things. I can understand resenting the whole thing if the consumers have an expectation that business play an unwinnable game of choosing sides. It's the old Michael Jordan quote about Republicans buying shoes too.

      I hope that explicitly not taking sides, and being open about that choice to customers who ask, will be widely accepted by consumers. It's the least lossy strategy clearly.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Taking on the role of the adult in the room by saying, "you know what, we're not infallible but we're making a stand by trying to be for everybody, and you can take a break from politics every time you walk in our store" might be a good marketing move. as

        Please love yourself.

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        • MikM Away
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          Works for me.

          I'd love to see what Adam Smith would say about it. I suspect he'd think the world had all gone mad.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            Life was so much easier 60 years ago.

            I didn't have to worry about who was a republican.

            Because I was in Boston, nobody was a republican.

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              Look at Miller Lite… After the Bud Light Mulvaney mess, Miller Lite puts out an add that basically says “You know, it really wasn’t great that we as an industry objectified women in our advertising and we want to try to make up for that”. All of a sudden everybody cries “Woke!” And calls for boycotts of Miller Lite… Screw that. Frankly. Miller Lite is a little right on the issue. The industry did go a little overboard and there’s nothing wrong with them trying to make up for it a little.

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              @LuFins-Dad said in Public Sq.:

              Look at Miller Lite… After the Bud Light Mulvaney mess, Miller Lite puts out an add that basically says “You know, it really wasn’t great that we as an industry objectified women in our advertising and we want to try to make up for that”. All of a sudden everybody cries “Woke!” And calls for boycotts of Miller Lite… Screw that. Frankly. Miller Lite is a little right on the issue. The industry did go a little overboard and there’s nothing wrong with them trying to make up for it a little.

              It wasn't the content of the ad, as much as the timing of the ad.

              Do not surf into the crest of the tsunami.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                The good news is the Miller Lite thing went nowhere. I think the Target thing will have some legs, though. Not as deep as Bud Light, but maybe a 10% drop in sales.

                The stock price is hard to pin on this. The stock price had already dropped and they had just announced another drop in sales last quarter.

                The Brad

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