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    xenon
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    Nephew in Canada (grade 3) came home today and told his mom he can be whatever he wants to be - all it takes is some medicine and he can change.

    He didn’t want to, but that’s not the point. Disturbing that this is being perceived by kids as akin to a career choice.

    Really rubbed me the wrong way….

    Edit: my mistake. It was the 6th grader. Still, not so great.

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      George K
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      Yeah...this is a problem, and our "educational" institutions are fostering it.

      11 years old...

      As the meme goes, if I had been given the ability to "be whatever I want to be" I would have been a cowboy.

      Or an astronaut.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Quite common in North America for adults to under-qualify what they mean when they tell kids “you can achieve anything you put your mind to” (or similar variants), often they also understate the pain and sweat involved.

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            @George-K said in Transgender education:

            This stuff has no business in a public school. No wonder home schooling is growing like mad.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              I don't think there is anything at all wrong with that particular assignment. Empathy is known to be something which needs to be taught, it does not necessarily occur naturally,
              So, an assignment on "write what it's like to be a girl" could be thoughtful (at a 3rd grade level), would likely be funny in part, and could lead to interesting and beneficial discussions.

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                I don't think there is anything at all wrong with that particular assignment. Empathy is known to be something which needs to be taught, it does not necessarily occur naturally,
                So, an assignment on "write what it's like to be a girl" could be thoughtful (at a 3rd grade level), would likely be funny in part, and could lead to interesting and beneficial discussions.

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                LuFins Dad
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                @Rainman said in Transgender education:

                I don't think there is anything at all wrong with that particular assignment. Empathy is known to be something which needs to be taught, it does not necessarily occur naturally,
                So, an assignment on "write what it's like to be a girl" could be thoughtful (at a 3rd grade level), would likely be funny in part, and could lead to interesting and beneficial discussions.

                +1

                I didn’t see this as being a problem. In fact, I could see this as being part of a conversation that could help end all this madness.

                The Brad

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                • RainmanR Rainman

                  I don't think there is anything at all wrong with that particular assignment. Empathy is known to be something which needs to be taught, it does not necessarily occur naturally,
                  So, an assignment on "write what it's like to be a girl" could be thoughtful (at a 3rd grade level), would likely be funny in part, and could lead to interesting and beneficial discussions.

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                  George K
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                  @Rainman said in Transgender education:

                  I don't think there is anything at all wrong with that particular assignment. Empathy is known to be something which needs to be taught, it does not necessarily occur naturally,
                  So, an assignment on "write what it's like to be a girl" could be thoughtful (at a 3rd grade level), would likely be funny in part, and could lead to interesting and beneficial discussions.

                  Your point is well-taken.

                  If it was an isolated "thought experiment" for an 8-year-old it might indeed be benign.

                  Something tells me it's not an isolated event.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Rainman
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                    Yeah, if next week the assignment is to do the same thing, but instead of "what is it like to be a girl" it is "what is it like to be a woman" then there is indeed something else going on.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @Rainman said in Transgender education:

                      I don't think there is anything at all wrong with that particular assignment. Empathy is known to be something which needs to be taught, it does not necessarily occur naturally,
                      So, an assignment on "write what it's like to be a girl" could be thoughtful (at a 3rd grade level), would likely be funny in part, and could lead to interesting and beneficial discussions.

                      Your point is well-taken.

                      If it was an isolated "thought experiment" for an 8-year-old it might indeed be benign.

                      Something tells me it's not an isolated event.

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                      @George-K said in Transgender education:

                      @Rainman said in Transgender education:

                      I don't think there is anything at all wrong with that particular assignment. Empathy is known to be something which needs to be taught, it does not necessarily occur naturally,
                      So, an assignment on "write what it's like to be a girl" could be thoughtful (at a 3rd grade level), would likely be funny in part, and could lead to interesting and beneficial discussions.

                      Your point is well-taken.

                      If it was an isolated "thought experiment" for an 8-year-old it might indeed be benign.

                      Something tells me it's not an isolated event.

                      My thought as well.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        A long time ago, when I was in middle school, a teacher issued this rather banal topic for an assay assignment: “What if I were a …?” with a few examples to get the student thinking, like: “what if I were a millionaire,” “what if I were an astronaut,” “what if I were the head of state”, etc.

                        I submitted an assay on “What if I were a girl.” The assay received top grade. The teacher read it aloud to my class. Later I learnt from other students that the teacher has also read my essay to other classes she taught at the time. The school published it in that year’s school magazine.

                        Years later, when I was participating in some inter-school function elsewhere, cute girls from another school walked up to me and told me they liked my essay — they have read it in my school’s magazine that also got distributed to their school and they remembered my essay and my name even years later. For a brief moment, I felt like a literary rock star. If it weren’t for those cute girls reminding me, I myself would have forgotten about the essay.

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                          Essay. Assay is something else entirely.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            Essay. Assay is something else entirely.

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                            George K
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                            @jon-nyc said in Transgender education:

                            Essay. Assay is something else entirely.

                            Saw that and attributed it to a phone typo.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              A long time ago, when I was in middle school, a teacher issued this rather banal topic for an assay assignment: “What if I were a …?” with a few examples to get the student thinking, like: “what if I were a millionaire,” “what if I were an astronaut,” “what if I were the head of state”, etc.

                              I submitted an assay on “What if I were a girl.” The assay received top grade. The teacher read it aloud to my class. Later I learnt from other students that the teacher has also read my essay to other classes she taught at the time. The school published it in that year’s school magazine.

                              Years later, when I was participating in some inter-school function elsewhere, cute girls from another school walked up to me and told me they liked my essay — they have read it in my school’s magazine that also got distributed to their school and they remembered my essay and my name even years later. For a brief moment, I felt like a literary rock star. If it weren’t for those cute girls reminding me, I myself would have forgotten about the essay.

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                              @Axtremus said in Transgender education:

                              A long time ago, when I was in middle school, a teacher issued this rather banal topic for an assay assignment: “What if I were a …?” with a few examples to get the student thinking, like: “what if I were a millionaire,” “what if I were an astronaut,” “what if I were the head of state”, etc.

                              I submitted an assay on “What if I were a girl.” The assay received top grade. The teacher read it aloud to my class. Later I learnt from other students that the teacher has also read my essay to other classes she taught at the time. The school published it in that year’s school magazine.

                              Years later, when I was participating in some inter-school function elsewhere, cute girls from another school walked up to me and told me they liked my essay — they have read it in my school’s magazine that also got distributed to their school and they remembered my essay and my name even years later. For a brief moment, I felt like a literary rock star. If it weren’t for those cute girls reminding me, I myself would have forgotten about the essay.

                              And thus began trans idealogy…

                              The Brad

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                              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                Quite common in North America for adults to under-qualify what they mean when they tell kids “you can achieve anything you put your mind to” (or similar variants), often they also understate the pain and sweat involved.

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                                @Axtremus said in Transgender education:

                                Quite common in North America for adults to under-qualify what they mean

                                How was this calculated?

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                                • X xenon

                                  Nephew in Canada (grade 3) came home today and told his mom he can be whatever he wants to be - all it takes is some medicine and he can change.

                                  He didn’t want to, but that’s not the point. Disturbing that this is being perceived by kids as akin to a career choice.

                                  Really rubbed me the wrong way….

                                  Edit: my mistake. It was the 6th grader. Still, not so great.

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                                  @xenon Sorry to hear. Just yesterday we got a tour of our oldest (just turned 5) kid's elementary school where she'll be going for kindergarten. Really nice school, but I did comment to a friend... I'm surprised at the BOYS and GIRLS bathrooms signs. You'd think that would be offensive by now in the Democratic Republic of Minnesota.

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