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In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak

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  • markM mark

    yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.

    GMAFB.

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    @mark said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

    yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.

    GMAFB.

    Your ignorance is either feigned or you are extremely naive. I don't think you are either.

    Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      @mark said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

      yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.

      GMAFB.

      Your ignorance is either feigned or you are extremely naive. I don't think you are either.

      Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

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      @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

      Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

      Both the media and the current administration have been nothing but mixed messages, from January to March.

      Please love yourself.

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        @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

        Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

        Both the media and the current administration have been nothing but mixed messages, from January to March.

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        @Aqua-Letifer said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

        @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

        Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

        Both the media and the current administration have been nothing but mixed messages, from January to March.

        Kinda, but not really.

        1. Most of the media has been in the Doom & Gloom business constantly, and the usual Orange Man bad type of questions and articles.
        2. I wouldn't say the administration has been as much mixed messages, as evolving messages. As usual with large entities, the government has been slower to change than a smaller entity.

        If you look, we're seeing another evolution right now. Safety is being balanced against economic collapse. I think we'll be seeing policy changes by the end of April.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          @mark said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

          yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.

          GMAFB.

          Your ignorance is either feigned or you are extremely naive. I don't think you are either.

          Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

          MikM Away
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          Mik
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          @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

          @mark said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

          yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.

          GMAFB.

          Your ignorance is either feigned or you are extremely naive. I don't think you are either.

          Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

          Especially not with the bloodthirsty press we have today.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            @Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

            Still, Jolly - it would be a really, really bad move to fire him. It would give more ammunition to those who say he doesn't listen to the scientists and would shake up an already scared population. This is a situation where a steady hand is needed, not management by chaos.

            He's not going to fire him, but I think you'll see Fauci backtrack at today's briefing.

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            @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

            @Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

            Still, Jolly - it would be a really, really bad move to fire him. It would give more ammunition to those who say he doesn't listen to the scientists and would shake up an already scared population. This is a situation where a steady hand is needed, not management by chaos.

            He's not going to fire him, but I think you'll see Fauci backtrack at today's briefing.

            Correctamundo, brother.

            https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/13/coronavirus-trump-retweets-call-dr-anthony-faucis-firing/2981147001/

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              This sums it up:

              Paula Reid, CBS. (To Fauci). Are you doing this voluntarily or did the President.—

              F.auci: no, I am doing it—everything I do is voluntarily. Please don’t even imply that.

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                #98

                What a stupid question to ask. Just trying to get him to say something clickbait..

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Mik

                  What a stupid question to ask. Just trying to get him to say something clickbait..

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                  @Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                  What a stupid question to ask. Just trying to get him to say something clickbait..

                  That's been the game for the past month.

                  It's like there are two tiers of journalism, otften within the same publication: the job of the political reporters is to gin up clickbait to rake in ridiculously diminishing ad returns (although with everyone being home, ad reach has been artificially inflated, no doubt giving the ad sales guys a false sense of security and justification), and then the content reporters investigate every potentially plausible theory they come across.

                  Neither are really all that great, but long story short, political coverage is clickbait and outrage pr0n masquerading as public interest.

                  Please love yourself.

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                  • MikM Mik

                    What a stupid question to ask. Just trying to get him to say something clickbait..

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                    @Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                    Just trying to get him to say something clickbait..

                    He loves clickbait, he loves the attention and the TV ratings, and he seems naturally prolific at generating material for click bait.

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                      Active cases in the US did not peak in April.

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                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                        Here’s an interesting way of looking at the data. Proportion of cases that have resolved.

                        Seems to me we’re on track to exceed 100k deaths by summer.

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                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                          What are the sources for those data, Jon?

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            The top one I cut from worldometers directly. The bottom one is from Branco Milanovic citing worldometers data.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              Active cases in the US did not peak in April.

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                              @jon-nyc said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                              Active cases in the US did not peak in April.

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                              What is an active case? Someone who tested positive? More tests= more cases? What am I missing?

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                                Total cases - (deaths + recoveries), IOW a case that’s still unresolved.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  Total cases - (deaths + recoveries), IOW a case that’s still unresolved.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                                  Total cases - (deaths + recoveries), IOW a case that’s still unresolved.

                                  But with so many asymptomatic people once you identify them by testing at scale you really aren’t for sure accurately measuring growth right? It seems so obvious to me so I feel like I must be still missing something.

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                                    Our case count is affected by testing capacity, yes. That’s always been the case.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      We’ve never ‘for sure’ been accurately measuring growth. That’s why the more serious attempts at estimating R do so with probabilities and confidence intervals, not simple ratios of case counts over time.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        Our case count is affected by testing capacity, yes. That’s always been the case.

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                                        @jon-nyc said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                                        Our case count is affected by testing capacity, yes. That’s always been the case.

                                        I am honestly trying to understand your logic. How do you account for deaths declining?

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                                          What particular logic. Tell me the thought you attribute to me that you would like me to defend.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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