At the Ballet
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wrote on 12 Apr 2023, 18:41 last edited by
A sort-of related question. Let's put the panties on the other side.
How many X-X chromosome-carrying people have tried to compete in sports/events in which X-Y chromosome-carrying people have traditionally won?
Swimming?
Weights?
Tennis?
Track?
Shot Put?
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wrote on 13 Apr 2023, 07:55 last edited by Friday
Forget her "dancing". Her look is awful for ballet. Limbs are too short and heavy. Can you see her doing a pas de deux as Odette?
She would look better in modern dance.
Edit to add that she can't even to the positions correctly.
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A sort-of related question. Let's put the panties on the other side.
How many X-X chromosome-carrying people have tried to compete in sports/events in which X-Y chromosome-carrying people have traditionally won?
Swimming?
Weights?
Tennis?
Track?
Shot Put?
Soccer?wrote on 13 Apr 2023, 11:00 last edited by Doctor Phibes@George-K said in At the Ballet:
A sort-of related question. Let's put the panties on the other side.
How many X-X chromosome-carrying people have tried to compete in sports/events in which X-Y chromosome-carrying people have traditionally won?
Swimming?
Weights?
Tennis?
Track?
Shot Put?
Soccer?Judit Polgar did very well in male chess, which is extremely male-dominated. I know it's not physical, but she's the only woman to ever play at that level, and obviously she chose to do it rather than play in the women's championship. World Champion Garry Kasparov had to change his initial opinion that she didn't have the physique to be able to play at the top level after she beat him.
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wrote on 13 Apr 2023, 11:31 last edited by
The Royal Ballet Academy did an experiment. It took a risk.
The more creative you expect to be over time, the more risks you need to take on and the more experiments you need to do. Keep doing things exactly the same way time after time and your art will eventually become stale.
Institutions take risks and experiment from time to time placing bets on candidates that do not fit their usual criteria for admission.
Some experiments work out, some don't. And that's OK. Maybe they learn something from some of their experiments and make some other experiments later on. It's better than not doing any new experiment at all -- the art is guaranteed to become stale without experimentation.
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wrote on 13 Apr 2023, 11:42 last edited by
I'm finding Oli London really quite annoying. The only reason that he's achieved the minor celebrity status he enjoys is because he's had all that surgery to make him look "more Korean". Now, he's lecturing the world on how stupid the trans movement is, and how this is an insult to women.
He should fuck off.
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I'm finding Oli London really quite annoying. The only reason that he's achieved the minor celebrity status he enjoys is because he's had all that surgery to make him look "more Korean". Now, he's lecturing the world on how stupid the trans movement is, and how this is an insult to women.
He should fuck off.
wrote on 13 Apr 2023, 11:46 last edited by George K@Doctor-Phibes said in At the Ballet:
Oli London
I know nothing of him. Just came across this tweet.
ETA: I just looked him up.
Well.
That's .... unusual.
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wrote on 13 Apr 2023, 12:16 last edited by
Remember when men dressed in tutus and dancing was considered high comedy?
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wrote on 13 Apr 2023, 12:50 last edited by
"It" is a joke.
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Forget her "dancing". Her look is awful for ballet. Limbs are too short and heavy. Can you see her doing a pas de deux as Odette?
She would look better in modern dance.
Edit to add that she can't even to the positions correctly.
wrote on 13 Apr 2023, 13:38 last edited by@Friday said in At the Ballet:
Forget her "dancing". Her look is awful for ballet.
I had the same thought. Balenchine is spinning in his grave.
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The Royal Ballet Academy did an experiment. It took a risk.
The more creative you expect to be over time, the more risks you need to take on and the more experiments you need to do. Keep doing things exactly the same way time after time and your art will eventually become stale.
Institutions take risks and experiment from time to time placing bets on candidates that do not fit their usual criteria for admission.
Some experiments work out, some don't. And that's OK. Maybe they learn something from some of their experiments and make some other experiments later on. It's better than not doing any new experiment at all -- the art is guaranteed to become stale without experimentation.
wrote on 13 Apr 2023, 13:42 last edited by Catseye3@Axtremus said in At the Ballet:
The more creative you expect to be over time, the more risks you need to take on and the more experiments you need to do
Can't agree. Classical ballet has fixed rules governing the desired look, and if you want experimentation there are plenty of schools of dance already out there.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in At the Ballet:
Oli London
I know nothing of him. Just came across this tweet.
ETA: I just looked him up.
Well.
That's .... unusual.
wrote on 13 Apr 2023, 13:43 last edited by@George-K said in At the Ballet:
@Doctor-Phibes said in At the Ballet:
Oli London
I know nothing of him. Just came across this tweet.
ETA: I just looked him up.
Well.
That's .... unusual.
Yeah, it's fair to say that he's more than a little eccentric. Now he's poacher turned game-keeper. He might be better off tidying his room as JP would say, but I guess he feels he's got to make a living somehow.
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@George-K said in At the Ballet:
@Doctor-Phibes said in At the Ballet:
Oli London
I know nothing of him. Just came across this tweet.
ETA: I just looked him up.
Well.
That's .... unusual.
Yeah, it's fair to say that he's more than a little eccentric. Now he's poacher turned game-keeper. He might be better off tidying his room as JP would say, but I guess he feels he's got to make a living somehow.
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Remember, this person was too tall to be a ballerina...
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wrote on 13 Apr 2023, 14:19 last edited by
I wanna see someone lift "Sophia" during Swan Lake
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wrote on 13 Apr 2023, 15:13 last edited by Doctor Phibes
It's clearly not going to be possible for this person to dance professionally in a regular sense. They weren't ever accepted at the Royal Academy for that reason.
I went out with a girl who was shortlisted for the Royal Academy of Music, which is the musical equivalent of this place, and that was unbelievably hard to get into - she was very gifted, and still didn't make it. She missed out by a single place, I think.
You've got to wonder where we're going to end up when all this is done.
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It's clearly not going to be possible for this person to dance professionally in a regular sense. They weren't ever accepted at the Royal Academy for that reason.
I went out with a girl who was shortlisted for the Royal Academy of Music, which is the musical equivalent of this place, and that was unbelievably hard to get into - she was very gifted, and still didn't make it. She missed out by a single place, I think.
You've got to wonder where we're going to end up when all this is done.
wrote on 13 Apr 2023, 16:23 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in At the Ballet:
They weren't ever accepted at the Royal Academy for that reason.
The hell you say...
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It's clearly not going to be possible for this person to dance professionally in a regular sense. They weren't ever accepted at the Royal Academy for that reason.
I went out with a girl who was shortlisted for the Royal Academy of Music, which is the musical equivalent of this place, and that was unbelievably hard to get into - she was very gifted, and still didn't make it. She missed out by a single place, I think.
You've got to wonder where we're going to end up when all this is done.
wrote on 13 Apr 2023, 16:46 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in At the Ballet:
It's clearly not going to be possible for this person to dance professionally in a regular sense. They weren't ever accepted at the Royal Academy for that reason.
I went out with a girl who was shortlisted for the Royal Academy of Music, which is the musical equivalent of this place, and that was unbelievably hard to get into - she was very gifted, and still didn't make it. She missed out by a single place, I think.
You've got to wonder where we're going to end up when all this is done.
Much less than mediocrity.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in At the Ballet:
They weren't ever accepted at the Royal Academy for that reason.
The hell you say...
wrote on 13 Apr 2023, 16:47 last edited by@George-K said in At the Ballet:
@Doctor-Phibes said in At the Ballet:
They weren't ever accepted at the Royal Academy for that reason.
The hell you say...
It's really unprofessional and unfair on her for them to take her on. It's great living your dream and all that, but it presumably isn't cheap living in the center of London, and paying whatever she's paying. This isn't a reality TV show, after all.
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@Axtremus said in At the Ballet:
The more creative you expect to be over time, the more risks you need to take on and the more experiments you need to do
Can't agree. Classical ballet has fixed rules governing the desired look, and if you want experimentation there are plenty of schools of dance already out there.
wrote on 13 Apr 2023, 17:39 last edited by@Catseye3 said in At the Ballet:
Classical ballet has fixed rules governing the desired look, and if you want experimentation there are plenty of schools of dance already out there.
A ballet academy need not be restricted to only refining classical ballet. Creativity is often essential to succeed at an artistic endeavor. It's quite alright, and it may even be essential for the artists, to occasionally branch out to see what else you can do with your art.
A couple of examples:
Link to video Link to videoIf you start from ballet then come out the other side as something else that can no longer be called ballet, that's OK too.