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    xenon
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    #29

    The problem with grievance-based discourse (from both parties) is that it makes revolutionary ideas sound appealing.

    This country is great. Like truly. Other countries would love to have the problems we have (for the most part). While we need more than incrementalism in a few areas (healthcare costs, inequality, automation) - but we don't need revolutionary change.

    But that sort of constructive conversation isn't happening anywhere.

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      The problem with grievance-based discourse (from both parties) is that it makes revolutionary ideas sound appealing.

      This country is great. Like truly. Other countries would love to have the problems we have (for the most part). While we need more than incrementalism in a few areas (healthcare costs, inequality, automation) - but we don't need revolutionary change.

      But that sort of constructive conversation isn't happening anywhere.

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      Copper
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      #30

      @xenon said in Seattle City Councilwoman:

      inequality

      There is no inequality where it matters - under the law and opportunity.

      None.

      Dead, solid exactly equal

      And has been for a long time

      If you want equality of outcome, try Russia or North Korea, outcomes are equal for all

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        Great comments to read in response to the tweet which began this thread.

        Hey Ax, 'ol buddy! Did you read the comments or responses? What did you think? Do you think there were sufficient comments expressing all viewpoints? What percentage did you agree with?

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        • X xenon

          The problem with grievance-based discourse (from both parties) is that it makes revolutionary ideas sound appealing.

          This country is great. Like truly. Other countries would love to have the problems we have (for the most part). While we need more than incrementalism in a few areas (healthcare costs, inequality, automation) - but we don't need revolutionary change.

          But that sort of constructive conversation isn't happening anywhere.

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          Horace
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          #32

          @xenon said in Seattle City Councilwoman:

          The problem with grievance-based discourse (from both parties) is that it makes revolutionary ideas sound appealing.

          Which grievance based discourse do you see from the right?

          Education is extremely important.

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            Hang around in this forum for ten minutes.

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              @xenon said in Seattle City Councilwoman:

              The problem with grievance-based discourse (from both parties) is that it makes revolutionary ideas sound appealing.

              Which grievance based discourse do you see from the right?

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              #34

              @Horace

              Exhibit A: MAGA
              Exhibit B: the President’s daily litany of grievances broadcasted in Twitter

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              • CopperC Copper

                @xenon said in Seattle City Councilwoman:

                inequality

                There is no inequality where it matters - under the law and opportunity.

                None.

                Dead, solid exactly equal

                And has been for a long time

                If you want equality of outcome, try Russia or North Korea, outcomes are equal for all

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                #35

                @Copper naw, there are problems. Running a small biz is harder. Business formation is down.

                It’s easier for large companies to capture regulators. There are more parts of the economy becoming “winner takes all”

                It’s harder to hold down a blue collar job.

                Things are changing - and this creates resentment which in turn creates political instability.

                But again - none of the things above require you to tear the system down to tackle.

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                • X xenon

                  The problem with grievance-based discourse (from both parties) is that it makes revolutionary ideas sound appealing.

                  This country is great. Like truly. Other countries would love to have the problems we have (for the most part). While we need more than incrementalism in a few areas (healthcare costs, inequality, automation) - but we don't need revolutionary change.

                  But that sort of constructive conversation isn't happening anywhere.

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                  taiwan_girl
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                  @xenon said in Seattle City Councilwoman:

                  This country is great. Like truly. Other countries would love to have the problems we have (for the most part). While we need more than incrementalism in a few areas (healthcare costs, inequality, automation) - but we don't need revolutionary change.

                  Very true Xenon!! Wise words indeed.

                  It is hard to understand what you have (and take for granted) when you have never been without.

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                    I spent enough time in the UK to know that this is heaven on earth.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      @Copper naw, there are problems. Running a small biz is harder. Business formation is down.

                      It’s easier for large companies to capture regulators. There are more parts of the economy becoming “winner takes all”

                      It’s harder to hold down a blue collar job.

                      Things are changing - and this creates resentment which in turn creates political instability.

                      But again - none of the things above require you to tear the system down to tackle.

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                      @xenon said in Seattle City Councilwoman:

                      @Copper naw, there are problems. Running a small biz is harder. Business formation is down.

                      It’s easier for large companies to capture regulators. There are more parts of the economy becoming “winner takes all”

                      It’s harder to hold down a blue collar job.

                      Things are changing - and this creates resentment which in turn creates political instability.

                      But again - none of the things above require you to tear the system down to tackle.

                      None of that is even remotely true.

                      In fact in every case you mention the law requires equality to be enforced, and it is.

                      The largest corporations in this country are afraid of nothing more than being accused of racism against minorities.

                      And you don't even have to scare them anymore, they are true believers.

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