$50,000 Average
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wrote on 4 Apr 2023, 13:32 last edited by
How can a $20/hr working person or family afford a $50,000 ride?
https://www.motor1.com/news/659311/toyota-executive-thinks-average-new-car-prices-top-50000-2023/
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How can a $20/hr working person or family afford a $50,000 ride?
https://www.motor1.com/news/659311/toyota-executive-thinks-average-new-car-prices-top-50000-2023/
wrote on 4 Apr 2023, 13:56 last edited by Doctor Phibes 4 Apr 2023, 13:56@Jolly a $20/hr working person probably shouldn't buy an 'average priced' car. We sure wouldn't.
Currently, according to Google the 'average' price of a used car in Rhode Island is $33.9K, which is more than we paid for a new one.
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wrote on 4 Apr 2023, 14:59 last edited by
They can still get a civic for 25k and drive it for decades.
Or get a 2015 civic for 16k and drive it for 15 years.
People overspend on cars.
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wrote on 4 Apr 2023, 17:58 last edited by
Wouldn't have a Civic with that CVT transmission. When it goes (and it will), nobody knows how to work on the darn things.
Secondly, a Civic is a great size for a commuter car. Family car, not so much.
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Wouldn't have a Civic with that CVT transmission. When it goes (and it will), nobody knows how to work on the darn things.
Secondly, a Civic is a great size for a commuter car. Family car, not so much.
wrote on 4 Apr 2023, 18:10 last edited by Doctor Phibes 4 Apr 2023, 18:11The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.
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The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.
wrote on 4 Apr 2023, 18:14 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:
The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.
Some interesting stats...
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us
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@Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:
The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.
Some interesting stats...
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us
wrote on 4 Apr 2023, 18:22 last edited by@Jolly said in $50,000 Average:
@Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:
The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.
Some interesting stats...
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us
Read somewhere that the median is closer to $70k in 2021.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:
The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.
Some interesting stats...
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us
wrote on 4 Apr 2023, 18:26 last edited by@Jolly said in $50,000 Average:
@Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:
The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.
Some interesting stats...
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us
OK. She doesn't clarify what she means by 'average'. I was being deliberately misleading by quoting the mean salary, when it's really the median that we should look at.
Still, the point stands. If you can't afford a brand new $50K car, there are plenty of other options. I've never spent that much on a car in my life. When we first came to the US, and lived in a rented apartment block, I was surprised by how many people there seemed to drive really nice cars. I guess it's a priority decision - you can rent an apartment and drive a BMW, but why would you?
This isn't to say that lower paid folk don't have it tough, but not being able to afford a 50 grand car probably isn't their biggest problem.
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@Jolly said in $50,000 Average:
@Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:
The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.
Some interesting stats...
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us
OK. She doesn't clarify what she means by 'average'. I was being deliberately misleading by quoting the mean salary, when it's really the median that we should look at.
Still, the point stands. If you can't afford a brand new $50K car, there are plenty of other options. I've never spent that much on a car in my life. When we first came to the US, and lived in a rented apartment block, I was surprised by how many people there seemed to drive really nice cars. I guess it's a priority decision - you can rent an apartment and drive a BMW, but why would you?
This isn't to say that lower paid folk don't have it tough, but not being able to afford a 50 grand car probably isn't their biggest problem.
wrote on 4 Apr 2023, 19:55 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:
@Jolly said in $50,000 Average:
@Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:
The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.
Some interesting stats...
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us
OK. She doesn't clarify what she means by 'average'. I was being deliberately misleading by quoting the mean salary, when it's really the median that we should look at.
Still, the point stands. If you can't afford a brand new $50K car, there are plenty of other options. I've never spent that much on a car in my life. When we first came to the US, and lived in a rented apartment block, I was surprised by how many people there seemed to drive really nice cars. I guess it's a priority decision - you can rent an apartment and drive a BMW, but why would you?
This isn't to say that lower paid folk don't have it tough, but not being able to afford a 50 grand car probably isn't their biggest problem.
Lad, you're missing another point...leases.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:
@Jolly said in $50,000 Average:
@Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:
The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.
Some interesting stats...
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us
OK. She doesn't clarify what she means by 'average'. I was being deliberately misleading by quoting the mean salary, when it's really the median that we should look at.
Still, the point stands. If you can't afford a brand new $50K car, there are plenty of other options. I've never spent that much on a car in my life. When we first came to the US, and lived in a rented apartment block, I was surprised by how many people there seemed to drive really nice cars. I guess it's a priority decision - you can rent an apartment and drive a BMW, but why would you?
This isn't to say that lower paid folk don't have it tough, but not being able to afford a 50 grand car probably isn't their biggest problem.
Lad, you're missing another point...leases.
wrote on 5 Apr 2023, 00:04 last edited by@Jolly said in $50,000 Average:
@Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:
@Jolly said in $50,000 Average:
@Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:
The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.
Some interesting stats...
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us
OK. She doesn't clarify what she means by 'average'. I was being deliberately misleading by quoting the mean salary, when it's really the median that we should look at.
Still, the point stands. If you can't afford a brand new $50K car, there are plenty of other options. I've never spent that much on a car in my life. When we first came to the US, and lived in a rented apartment block, I was surprised by how many people there seemed to drive really nice cars. I guess it's a priority decision - you can rent an apartment and drive a BMW, but why would you?
This isn't to say that lower paid folk don't have it tough, but not being able to afford a 50 grand car probably isn't their biggest problem.
Lad, you're missing another point...leases.
Well, sure, they're a bit cheaper. It's still a matter of priorities. A lease on BMW isn't cheap, whatever they say in the commercials.
My point is that nobody actually needs a $50,000 car. They might want one, but they don't need it. Particularly if they're earning $20/hr.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2023, 01:09 last edited by
Explain that to these people...
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Explain that to these people...
wrote on 5 Apr 2023, 01:24 last edited by Doctor Phibes 4 May 2023, 01:26@Jolly said in $50,000 Average:
Explain that to these people...
Right, so the poorest town in America has people who can't afford a brand new car. Who would have imagined such a thing?
Were they really rich until Joe Biden became President? I'm assuming that's the point of this discussion, because you don't normally have much sympathy for people earning minimum wage and their inability to live the American Dream,
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The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.
wrote on 5 Apr 2023, 01:35 last edited by jon-nyc 4 May 2023, 01:36@Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:
The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.
Mean /= median.
If Bill Gates walks into a soup kitchen the average net worth might go from $25 to $40MM. The median stays at $25.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:
The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.
Mean /= median.
If Bill Gates walks into a soup kitchen the average net worth might go from $25 to $40MM. The median stays at $25.
wrote on 5 Apr 2023, 01:40 last edited by Doctor Phibes 4 May 2023, 01:45@jon-nyc said in $50,000 Average:
@Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:
The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.
Mean /= median.
If Bill Gates walks into a soup kitchen the average net worth might go from $25 to $40MM. The median stays at $25.
Yes, I know - that was my point earlier. The term 'average' is imprecise. The article Jolly quoted doesn't say which average she is using, and neither did the car article. The price of an average car isn't necessarily the same as the average price of a car.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2023, 01:47 last edited by
Do y'all even know any average folk?
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wrote on 5 Apr 2023, 02:05 last edited by
Yes. Do you not?
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wrote on 5 Apr 2023, 02:21 last edited by Doctor Phibes 4 May 2023, 02:22
@Jolly said in $50,000 Average:
Do y'all even know any average folk?
Median?
Because I know a whole bunch of mean people.
We East Coast elite types have servants who meet average people on our behalf.
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wrote on 5 Apr 2023, 02:49 last edited by
@Axtremus said in $50,000 Average:
Yes. Do you not?
Are you friends with anybody that makes $30k/yr?
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@Axtremus said in $50,000 Average:
Yes. Do you not?
Are you friends with anybody that makes $30k/yr?
wrote on 5 Apr 2023, 03:04 last edited by@Jolly said in $50,000 Average:
@Axtremus said in $50,000 Average:
Yes. Do you not?
Are you friends with anybody that makes $30k/yr?
At the risk of a flex, I'd say income diversity is pretty high among the folks I hang out with regularly.
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@Axtremus said in $50,000 Average:
Yes. Do you not?
Are you friends with anybody that makes $30k/yr?
wrote on 5 Apr 2023, 11:26 last edited by Doctor Phibes 4 May 2023, 11:26@Jolly said in $50,000 Average:
@Axtremus said in $50,000 Average:
Yes. Do you not?
Are you friends with anybody that makes $30k/yr?
How is that average? The median wage in Massachusetts is about $65K.
But yes, as it happens.
