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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
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    #3

    They can still get a civic for 25k and drive it for decades.

    Or get a 2015 civic for 16k and drive it for 15 years.

    People overspend on cars.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Wouldn't have a Civic with that CVT transmission. When it goes (and it will), nobody knows how to work on the darn things.

      Secondly, a Civic is a great size for a commuter car. Family car, not so much.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        Wouldn't have a Civic with that CVT transmission. When it goes (and it will), nobody knows how to work on the darn things.

        Secondly, a Civic is a great size for a commuter car. Family car, not so much.

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        Doctor Phibes
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        The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.

        I was only joking

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.

          JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
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          #6

          @Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:

          The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.

          Some interesting stats...

          https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            @Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:

            The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.

            Some interesting stats...

            https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us

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            @Jolly said in $50,000 Average:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:

            The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.

            Some interesting stats...

            https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us

            Read somewhere that the median is closer to $70k in 2021.

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              @Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:

              The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.

              Some interesting stats...

              https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us

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              Doctor Phibes
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              #8

              @Jolly said in $50,000 Average:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:

              The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.

              Some interesting stats...

              https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us

              OK. She doesn't clarify what she means by 'average'. I was being deliberately misleading by quoting the mean salary, when it's really the median that we should look at.

              Still, the point stands. If you can't afford a brand new $50K car, there are plenty of other options. I've never spent that much on a car in my life. When we first came to the US, and lived in a rented apartment block, I was surprised by how many people there seemed to drive really nice cars. I guess it's a priority decision - you can rent an apartment and drive a BMW, but why would you?

              This isn't to say that lower paid folk don't have it tough, but not being able to afford a 50 grand car probably isn't their biggest problem.

              I was only joking

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                @Jolly said in $50,000 Average:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:

                The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.

                Some interesting stats...

                https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us

                OK. She doesn't clarify what she means by 'average'. I was being deliberately misleading by quoting the mean salary, when it's really the median that we should look at.

                Still, the point stands. If you can't afford a brand new $50K car, there are plenty of other options. I've never spent that much on a car in my life. When we first came to the US, and lived in a rented apartment block, I was surprised by how many people there seemed to drive really nice cars. I guess it's a priority decision - you can rent an apartment and drive a BMW, but why would you?

                This isn't to say that lower paid folk don't have it tough, but not being able to afford a 50 grand car probably isn't their biggest problem.

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                @Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:

                @Jolly said in $50,000 Average:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:

                The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.

                Some interesting stats...

                https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us

                OK. She doesn't clarify what she means by 'average'. I was being deliberately misleading by quoting the mean salary, when it's really the median that we should look at.

                Still, the point stands. If you can't afford a brand new $50K car, there are plenty of other options. I've never spent that much on a car in my life. When we first came to the US, and lived in a rented apartment block, I was surprised by how many people there seemed to drive really nice cars. I guess it's a priority decision - you can rent an apartment and drive a BMW, but why would you?

                This isn't to say that lower paid folk don't have it tough, but not being able to afford a 50 grand car probably isn't their biggest problem.

                Lad, you're missing another point...leases.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:

                  @Jolly said in $50,000 Average:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:

                  The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.

                  Some interesting stats...

                  https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us

                  OK. She doesn't clarify what she means by 'average'. I was being deliberately misleading by quoting the mean salary, when it's really the median that we should look at.

                  Still, the point stands. If you can't afford a brand new $50K car, there are plenty of other options. I've never spent that much on a car in my life. When we first came to the US, and lived in a rented apartment block, I was surprised by how many people there seemed to drive really nice cars. I guess it's a priority decision - you can rent an apartment and drive a BMW, but why would you?

                  This isn't to say that lower paid folk don't have it tough, but not being able to afford a 50 grand car probably isn't their biggest problem.

                  Lad, you're missing another point...leases.

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                  Doctor Phibes
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                  @Jolly said in $50,000 Average:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:

                  @Jolly said in $50,000 Average:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:

                  The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.

                  Some interesting stats...

                  https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-in-us

                  OK. She doesn't clarify what she means by 'average'. I was being deliberately misleading by quoting the mean salary, when it's really the median that we should look at.

                  Still, the point stands. If you can't afford a brand new $50K car, there are plenty of other options. I've never spent that much on a car in my life. When we first came to the US, and lived in a rented apartment block, I was surprised by how many people there seemed to drive really nice cars. I guess it's a priority decision - you can rent an apartment and drive a BMW, but why would you?

                  This isn't to say that lower paid folk don't have it tough, but not being able to afford a 50 grand car probably isn't their biggest problem.

                  Lad, you're missing another point...leases.

                  Well, sure, they're a bit cheaper. It's still a matter of priorities. A lease on BMW isn't cheap, whatever they say in the commercials.

                  My point is that nobody actually needs a $50,000 car. They might want one, but they don't need it. Particularly if they're earning $20/hr.

                  I was only joking

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
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                    Explain that to these people...

                    https://247wallst.com/special-report/2023/04/03/this-small-town-in-louisiana-has-the-lowest-median-income-in-america/

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      Explain that to these people...

                      https://247wallst.com/special-report/2023/04/03/this-small-town-in-louisiana-has-the-lowest-median-income-in-america/

                      Doctor PhibesD Online
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                      Doctor Phibes
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                      #12

                      @Jolly said in $50,000 Average:

                      Explain that to these people...

                      https://247wallst.com/special-report/2023/04/03/this-small-town-in-louisiana-has-the-lowest-median-income-in-america/

                      Right, so the poorest town in America has people who can't afford a brand new car. Who would have imagined such a thing?

                      Were they really rich until Joe Biden became President? I'm assuming that's the point of this discussion, because you don't normally have much sympathy for people earning minimum wage and their inability to live the American Dream,

                      I was only joking

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.

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                        @Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:

                        The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.

                        Mean /= median.

                        If Bill Gates walks into a soup kitchen the average net worth might go from $25 to $40MM. The median stays at $25.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:

                          The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.

                          Mean /= median.

                          If Bill Gates walks into a soup kitchen the average net worth might go from $25 to $40MM. The median stays at $25.

                          Doctor PhibesD Online
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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          @jon-nyc said in $50,000 Average:

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in $50,000 Average:

                          The 'average' (mean) salary in the US in 2021 was $97K, which is a lot more than $20/hr.

                          Mean /= median.

                          If Bill Gates walks into a soup kitchen the average net worth might go from $25 to $40MM. The median stays at $25.

                          Yes, I know - that was my point earlier. The term 'average' is imprecise. The article Jolly quoted doesn't say which average she is using, and neither did the car article. The price of an average car isn't necessarily the same as the average price of a car.

                          I was only joking

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                            Do y'all even know any average folk?

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              Do y'all even know any average folk?

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                              Axtremus
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                              Yes. Do you not?

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                Do y'all even know any average folk?

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                                Doctor Phibes
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                                @Jolly said in $50,000 Average:

                                Do y'all even know any average folk?

                                Median?

                                Because I know a whole bunch of mean people.

                                We East Coast elite types have servants who meet average people on our behalf.

                                I was only joking

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  Yes. Do you not?

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                                  @Axtremus said in $50,000 Average:

                                  Yes. Do you not?

                                  Are you friends with anybody that makes $30k/yr?

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    @Axtremus said in $50,000 Average:

                                    Yes. Do you not?

                                    Are you friends with anybody that makes $30k/yr?

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                                    @Jolly said in $50,000 Average:

                                    @Axtremus said in $50,000 Average:

                                    Yes. Do you not?

                                    Are you friends with anybody that makes $30k/yr?

                                    At the risk of a flex, I'd say income diversity is pretty high among the folks I hang out with regularly.

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      @Axtremus said in $50,000 Average:

                                      Yes. Do you not?

                                      Are you friends with anybody that makes $30k/yr?

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                                      Doctor Phibes
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                                      @Jolly said in $50,000 Average:

                                      @Axtremus said in $50,000 Average:

                                      Yes. Do you not?

                                      Are you friends with anybody that makes $30k/yr?

                                      How is that average? The median wage in Massachusetts is about $65K.

                                      But yes, as it happens.

                                      I was only joking

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                                        I'm not shocked, but I am a little surprised.

                                        The gist of this thread is about how buying a new car is becoming increasingly difficult for working people. $15/hr is a hair over $31,000/year, provided a person works 40 hour weeks and has some sort of PDO to address an occasional sick day or a few vacation days. Maybe it's because I live in a poorer state, but I know a good many working people that make that kind of money or just a bit more.

                                        Even with both parents working, with one maybe having a bit better job, that's not an easy life. It may be middle class, but it's on the lower level. It's hard to find a home down here in a decent school district for less than $200k. Something like a Santa Fe or an Equinox is $30k, if you can find a base model (hard to find base models right now). Throw in the current interest rate, cost of food, cost of insurance, energy bills and just everyday life, it's hard on that family.

                                        But let's go back to the single person making $30k. One BR apartment is $800/month or more. Even an econobox is $25k after taxes (again, if you can find a base model). Throwin food, fuel, energy costs and everyday expenses...I think $30k/year just barely gets you into the middle class.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          I think your overall point is taken, Jolly. But my only point was that much of that 50 is a choice.

                                          Still, the employee on 15/HR isn’t buying a new Civic either.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

                                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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