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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    Axtremus
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    #59

    https://tn.chalkbeat.org/2023/3/28/23661164/nashville-school-shooting-tennessee-covenant-gun-policy-protest-legislature

    "In 2021, [Tennessee] enacted a law that lets most Tennesseans 21 and older carry handguns without first clearing a background check, obtaining a permit, or getting trained on firearms safety. ..."

    No background check, how is the seller to know whether a buyer is a risk to public safety? How can "red flag law" work without background check? How can you tell if there is a red flag if you do not at least check?

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    • MikM Offline
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      That applies to carry, not purchase.

      https://www.tn.gov/tbi/divisions/cjis-division/firearm-background-checks.html

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • MikM Mik

        That applies to carry, not purchase.

        https://www.tn.gov/tbi/divisions/cjis-division/firearm-background-checks.html

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        Axtremus
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        #61

        @Mik , OK that is an important distinction, thanks for calling that out.

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          #62

          https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-resolution/127

          The police has yet to determine the motive and already Sen. Hawley has introduced a bill to condemn the shooting as a “hate crime”.

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          • LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
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            #63

            Twits twill tweet

            The Brad

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            • HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
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              #64

              Classic projection, for people who have already self-mutilated in service of their own suicidality. It's really no wonder they have weak behavioral limits, and they think the world is out to get them. Their own psychological universe really is out to get them.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-resolution/127

                The police has yet to determine the motive and already Sen. Hawley has introduced a bill to condemn the shooting as a “hate crime”.

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                George K
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                #65

                @Axtremus said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                Hawley has introduced a bill to condemn the shooting as a “hate crime”.

                Other than symbolic import, does this really matter, considering the perp is dead?

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  @Axtremus said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                  Hawley has introduced a bill to condemn the shooting as a “hate crime”.

                  Other than symbolic import, does this really matter, considering the perp is dead?

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                  @George-K said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                  @Axtremus said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                  Hawley has introduced a bill to condemn the shooting as a “hate crime”.

                  Other than symbolic import, does this really matter, considering the perp is dead?

                  I believe there is a score card being kept.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    #67

                    Are there any love crimes?

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • CopperC Offline
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                      Because it would stop the next gal that wants to commit mass murder.

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                      • George KG George K

                        @Axtremus said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                        Hawley has introduced a bill to condemn the shooting as a “hate crime”.

                        Other than symbolic import, does this really matter, considering the perp is dead?

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                        #69

                        @George-K said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                        Hawley has introduced a bill to condemn the shooting as a “hate crime”.

                        I have never understood the designation of 'hate crime' as a subcategory of crime. By definition, isn't any crime a hostile act against an individual, and therefore hate-ish? What difference does it make if the crime is committed out of irritation?

                        Seems like designating an act as a hate crime itself contributes to spreading the hate.

                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                          Twits twill tweet

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                          @LuFins-Dad said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                          Twits twill tweet

                          She has resigned.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • Catseye3C Catseye3

                            @George-K said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                            Hawley has introduced a bill to condemn the shooting as a “hate crime”.

                            I have never understood the designation of 'hate crime' as a subcategory of crime. By definition, isn't any crime a hostile act against an individual, and therefore hate-ish? What difference does it make if the crime is committed out of irritation?

                            Seems like designating an act as a hate crime itself contributes to spreading the hate.

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                            @Catseye3 said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                            I have never understood the designation of 'hate crime' as a subcategory of crime. By definition, isn't any crime a hostile act against an individual, and therefore hate-ish? What difference does it make if the crime is committed out of irritation?

                            Same here.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • MikM Mik

                              Are there any love crimes?

                              AxtremusA Offline
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                              @Mik said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                              Are there any love crimes?

                              The more common phrasing is "crime of passion."

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                                #73

                                Talked with a guy I know in the gun biz, who shoots some competition. I was impressed with the Engelbert handled his weapon. He agreed, but he knew more than I did. He talked about the Vortex 1-6 on the officer's AR not being department issue, but how well he handled the site and how the officer worked the blind corners and rooms.

                                He said that speaks to two things...

                                1. Engelbert took the money and time to buy a good site ( the Vortex is not department issue)and get really good with it, along with superior gun handling. Especially under high stress.
                                2. Even though he shoots an AR in competition, he said there's no way he could have kept up with the officer, as fast as he was scanning and clearing rooms.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  Talked with a guy I know in the gun biz, who shoots some competition. I was impressed with the Engelbert handled his weapon. He agreed, but he knew more than I did. He talked about the Vortex 1-6 on the officer's AR not being department issue, but how well he handled the site and how the officer worked the blind corners and rooms.

                                  He said that speaks to two things...

                                  1. Engelbert took the money and time to buy a good site ( the Vortex is not department issue)and get really good with it, along with superior gun handling. Especially under high stress.
                                  2. Even though he shoots an AR in competition, he said there's no way he could have kept up with the officer, as fast as he was scanning and clearing rooms.
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                                  #74

                                  @Jolly you know, when you see movies of military personnel clearing a room, you think "Wow, those guys know their shit."

                                  Of course, real life is never, ever like the movies.

                                  Except here.

                                  That's what came to my mind as I watched.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    #75

                                    I saw this on Facebook, and right away thought, no-way, this can't be true.

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                                    So I googled around and saw this

                                    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/nashville-school-shooting-audrey-hale-tennessee-us-children-joe-biden-cctv-video-b1070359.html

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                                    And this
                                    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-nashville-shooting-surveillance-footage-20230328-ig37y4gv2ja3tdhwpoyvun7j2m-story.html

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                                    What am I missing?

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                                    • George KG Offline
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                                      George K
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                                      https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-was-nashville-shooters-body-wearing-different-shoes-1791148

                                      Although in CCTV footage the shoes Hale was wearing appear monochromatic, it is an effect caused by the quality of the camera and its processing. This limits the color depth available to accurately capture the scene in full detail. The bodycam footage partly suffers the same issue but provides full-color detail as the officer moves the camera's focus to the shoe.

                                      Additionally, the distinct "Vans Off The Wall" logo on the rear of the shooter's footwear, a kitemark of the brand's shoes, is visible in the CCTV footage and the bodycam footage.

                                      Alex Jones wept.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-was-nashville-shooters-body-wearing-different-shoes-1791148

                                        Although in CCTV footage the shoes Hale was wearing appear monochromatic, it is an effect caused by the quality of the camera and its processing. This limits the color depth available to accurately capture the scene in full detail. The bodycam footage partly suffers the same issue but provides full-color detail as the officer moves the camera's focus to the shoe.

                                        Additionally, the distinct "Vans Off The Wall" logo on the rear of the shooter's footwear, a kitemark of the brand's shoes, is visible in the CCTV footage and the bodycam footage.

                                        Alex Jones wept.

                                        LuFins DadL Offline
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                                        @George-K said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                                        https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-was-nashville-shooters-body-wearing-different-shoes-1791148

                                        Although in CCTV footage the shoes Hale was wearing appear monochromatic, it is an effect caused by the quality of the camera and its processing. This limits the color depth available to accurately capture the scene in full detail. The bodycam footage partly suffers the same issue but provides full-color detail as the officer moves the camera's focus to the shoe.

                                        Additionally, the distinct "Vans Off The Wall" logo on the rear of the shooter's footwear, a kitemark of the brand's shoes, is visible in the CCTV footage and the bodycam footage.

                                        Alex Jones wept.

                                        I figured it was something to that effect

                                        The Brad

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                                          NASHVILLE, Tenn.—The Nashville Christian school shooter “clearly” attempted to enter classrooms that were barricaded, the man who led a school shooting training with teachers and staff at The Covenant School last year told The Epoch Times on Wednesday.

                                          Brink Filder is president of Defend Systems, a Nashville active shooter training company that contracted with the school for training sessions. He said on Wednesday he had been at the school all day and did a walkthrough with homicide detectives to answer some questions and gain insight.

                                          “[The shooter] did not get into a single room—and that was not for lack of effort,” he said. “The only victims she got to were in open areas. So, they did exactly what they needed to do in that moment without hesitation and they are responsible for getting those children that survived back to their families.”

                                          Covenant Trained for a Moment That Came

                                          “This one hits home because they are a client of ours,” he said. “We study these events for a living. This one is vastly different—because I knew these people—so we’re just trying to take it all in.”

                                          In 2022, Defend Systems held a “pretty intense” training with school staff. Filder and his staff conducted an active shooter mitigation course at the school in January 2022 and in March 2022 did a medical intervention session with them.

                                          For more: https://www.theepochtimes.com/shooter-tried-to-enter-barricaded-classrooms-at-nashville-christian-school_5159434.html

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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