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  • 89th8 Offline
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    89th
    wrote on last edited by
    #58

    @Jolly sorry didn’t know Reddit link/videos aren’t viewable without logging in, or maybe those flagged as mature content

    Yes the police response definitely had an anti-Uvalde tempo to it. Good for them. Especially thinking that they are sweeping the building without knowing about the shooter the way we did. They are hunting room by room, could be an ambush, around any corner, any suspect, how brave you must be…but the lives of children certainly enhances the urgency to a whole different level.

    As I told my wife today, these shootings will always continue. They seek headlines, and they get them. The name, the picture, the manifesto, it all sucks up the media oxygen, of which I’m guilty too. Further, parents worried about this happening to their child? Certainly understandable emotionally but statistically their child is 110x more likely to die while commuting to school than in the school. 110 times more likely. School shootings are ridiculously rare, relative to the cause of student deaths.

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    • AxtremusA Offline
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      #59

      https://tn.chalkbeat.org/2023/3/28/23661164/nashville-school-shooting-tennessee-covenant-gun-policy-protest-legislature

      "In 2021, [Tennessee] enacted a law that lets most Tennesseans 21 and older carry handguns without first clearing a background check, obtaining a permit, or getting trained on firearms safety. ..."

      No background check, how is the seller to know whether a buyer is a risk to public safety? How can "red flag law" work without background check? How can you tell if there is a red flag if you do not at least check?

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
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        #60

        That applies to carry, not purchase.

        https://www.tn.gov/tbi/divisions/cjis-division/firearm-background-checks.html

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          That applies to carry, not purchase.

          https://www.tn.gov/tbi/divisions/cjis-division/firearm-background-checks.html

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          Axtremus
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          #61

          @Mik , OK that is an important distinction, thanks for calling that out.

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          • AxtremusA Offline
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            Axtremus
            wrote on last edited by
            #62

            https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-resolution/127

            The police has yet to determine the motive and already Sen. Hawley has introduced a bill to condemn the shooting as a “hate crime”.

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            • LuFins DadL Offline
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              LuFins Dad
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              #63

              Twits twill tweet

              The Brad

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              • HoraceH Offline
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                Horace
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                #64

                Classic projection, for people who have already self-mutilated in service of their own suicidality. It's really no wonder they have weak behavioral limits, and they think the world is out to get them. Their own psychological universe really is out to get them.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-resolution/127

                  The police has yet to determine the motive and already Sen. Hawley has introduced a bill to condemn the shooting as a “hate crime”.

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #65

                  @Axtremus said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                  Hawley has introduced a bill to condemn the shooting as a “hate crime”.

                  Other than symbolic import, does this really matter, considering the perp is dead?

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    @Axtremus said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                    Hawley has introduced a bill to condemn the shooting as a “hate crime”.

                    Other than symbolic import, does this really matter, considering the perp is dead?

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                    Horace
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                    #66

                    @George-K said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                    @Axtremus said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                    Hawley has introduced a bill to condemn the shooting as a “hate crime”.

                    Other than symbolic import, does this really matter, considering the perp is dead?

                    I believe there is a score card being kept.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
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                      #67

                      Are there any love crimes?

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • CopperC Offline
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                        Copper
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                        #68

                        Because it would stop the next gal that wants to commit mass murder.

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                        • George KG George K

                          @Axtremus said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                          Hawley has introduced a bill to condemn the shooting as a “hate crime”.

                          Other than symbolic import, does this really matter, considering the perp is dead?

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                          Catseye3
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #69

                          @George-K said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                          Hawley has introduced a bill to condemn the shooting as a “hate crime”.

                          I have never understood the designation of 'hate crime' as a subcategory of crime. By definition, isn't any crime a hostile act against an individual, and therefore hate-ish? What difference does it make if the crime is committed out of irritation?

                          Seems like designating an act as a hate crime itself contributes to spreading the hate.

                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            Twits twill tweet

                            George KG Offline
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                            @LuFins-Dad said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                            Twits twill tweet

                            She has resigned.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • Catseye3C Catseye3

                              @George-K said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                              Hawley has introduced a bill to condemn the shooting as a “hate crime”.

                              I have never understood the designation of 'hate crime' as a subcategory of crime. By definition, isn't any crime a hostile act against an individual, and therefore hate-ish? What difference does it make if the crime is committed out of irritation?

                              Seems like designating an act as a hate crime itself contributes to spreading the hate.

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                              wrote on last edited by
                              #71

                              @Catseye3 said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                              I have never understood the designation of 'hate crime' as a subcategory of crime. By definition, isn't any crime a hostile act against an individual, and therefore hate-ish? What difference does it make if the crime is committed out of irritation?

                              Same here.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • MikM Mik

                                Are there any love crimes?

                                AxtremusA Offline
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                                Axtremus
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #72

                                @Mik said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                                Are there any love crimes?

                                The more common phrasing is "crime of passion."

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                                • JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by Jolly
                                  #73

                                  Talked with a guy I know in the gun biz, who shoots some competition. I was impressed with the Engelbert handled his weapon. He agreed, but he knew more than I did. He talked about the Vortex 1-6 on the officer's AR not being department issue, but how well he handled the site and how the officer worked the blind corners and rooms.

                                  He said that speaks to two things...

                                  1. Engelbert took the money and time to buy a good site ( the Vortex is not department issue)and get really good with it, along with superior gun handling. Especially under high stress.
                                  2. Even though he shoots an AR in competition, he said there's no way he could have kept up with the officer, as fast as he was scanning and clearing rooms.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    Talked with a guy I know in the gun biz, who shoots some competition. I was impressed with the Engelbert handled his weapon. He agreed, but he knew more than I did. He talked about the Vortex 1-6 on the officer's AR not being department issue, but how well he handled the site and how the officer worked the blind corners and rooms.

                                    He said that speaks to two things...

                                    1. Engelbert took the money and time to buy a good site ( the Vortex is not department issue)and get really good with it, along with superior gun handling. Especially under high stress.
                                    2. Even though he shoots an AR in competition, he said there's no way he could have kept up with the officer, as fast as he was scanning and clearing rooms.
                                    George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #74

                                    @Jolly you know, when you see movies of military personnel clearing a room, you think "Wow, those guys know their shit."

                                    Of course, real life is never, ever like the movies.

                                    Except here.

                                    That's what came to my mind as I watched.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Copper
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                                      #75

                                      I saw this on Facebook, and right away thought, no-way, this can't be true.

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                                      So I googled around and saw this

                                      https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/nashville-school-shooting-audrey-hale-tennessee-us-children-joe-biden-cctv-video-b1070359.html

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                                      And this
                                      https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-nashville-shooting-surveillance-footage-20230328-ig37y4gv2ja3tdhwpoyvun7j2m-story.html

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                                      What am I missing?

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                                      • George KG Offline
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                                        George K
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                                        #76

                                        https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-was-nashville-shooters-body-wearing-different-shoes-1791148

                                        Although in CCTV footage the shoes Hale was wearing appear monochromatic, it is an effect caused by the quality of the camera and its processing. This limits the color depth available to accurately capture the scene in full detail. The bodycam footage partly suffers the same issue but provides full-color detail as the officer moves the camera's focus to the shoe.

                                        Additionally, the distinct "Vans Off The Wall" logo on the rear of the shooter's footwear, a kitemark of the brand's shoes, is visible in the CCTV footage and the bodycam footage.

                                        Alex Jones wept.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-was-nashville-shooters-body-wearing-different-shoes-1791148

                                          Although in CCTV footage the shoes Hale was wearing appear monochromatic, it is an effect caused by the quality of the camera and its processing. This limits the color depth available to accurately capture the scene in full detail. The bodycam footage partly suffers the same issue but provides full-color detail as the officer moves the camera's focus to the shoe.

                                          Additionally, the distinct "Vans Off The Wall" logo on the rear of the shooter's footwear, a kitemark of the brand's shoes, is visible in the CCTV footage and the bodycam footage.

                                          Alex Jones wept.

                                          LuFins DadL Offline
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                                          LuFins Dad
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                                          #77

                                          @George-K said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:

                                          https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-was-nashville-shooters-body-wearing-different-shoes-1791148

                                          Although in CCTV footage the shoes Hale was wearing appear monochromatic, it is an effect caused by the quality of the camera and its processing. This limits the color depth available to accurately capture the scene in full detail. The bodycam footage partly suffers the same issue but provides full-color detail as the officer moves the camera's focus to the shoe.

                                          Additionally, the distinct "Vans Off The Wall" logo on the rear of the shooter's footwear, a kitemark of the brand's shoes, is visible in the CCTV footage and the bodycam footage.

                                          Alex Jones wept.

                                          I figured it was something to that effect

                                          The Brad

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