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Parental Rights are Literal Fascism!

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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
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    #1

    So the House passed a Parental Rights in Education Bill. As far as I can tell, there was no double speak, no hidden agendas, and nothing that can be misconstrued. In the bill, schools are required to disclose:

    1. Curriculum Lists
    2. Reading Lists
    3. Library Inventory

    And they would be required to receive parental consent in changing a child’s gender status.

    This is transparency. This is simple and basic requirements and I am astounded that it needs to even be codified into law.

    Here’s the response:

    The Brad

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      #2

      It's important to understand that she believes that stuff. Emotional truths are just as truthy as any other sort of truth.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • AxtremusA Away
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        Axtremus
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        #3

        Which school districts need this sort of law?

        Not that I have looked into the education systems of many districts, but of the few I looked into, public school K-12 teachers have no problem publishing their curriculums. Parents have no problem seeing the curriculums, often times the parents also see the homework assignments as many of the teachers post homework assignments online.

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        • AxtremusA Axtremus

          Which school districts need this sort of law?

          Not that I have looked into the education systems of many districts, but of the few I looked into, public school K-12 teachers have no problem publishing their curriculums. Parents have no problem seeing the curriculums, often times the parents also see the homework assignments as many of the teachers post homework assignments online.

          LuFins DadL Offline
          LuFins DadL Offline
          LuFins Dad
          wrote on last edited by
          #4

          @Axtremus said in Parental Rights are Literal Fascism!:

          Which school districts need this sort of law?

          Not that I have looked into the education systems of many districts, but of the few I looked into, public school K-12 teachers have no problem publishing their curriculums. Parents have no problem seeing the curriculums, often times the parents also see the homework assignments as many of the teachers post homework assignments online.

          In Loudoun County, you are currently required to go through a vetting process and sign an NDA to be allowed to view the curriculum. https://www.loudountimes.com/news/education/new-lcps-policy-on-controversial-curriculum-approved/article_67774a0a-65f0-11ed-8b60-e30ebac7308e.html

          Here’s a school in PA https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pa-school-hides-racial-equity-training-curriculum

          Missouri -https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/rockwood-school-board-curriculum-controversy/63-82f4c7a8-3cfc-4930-8f09-f5002c422064

          There are countless others. As for the whole hiding Gender Identity-

          https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/we-are-not-co-parenting-with-the-government-pa-parents-question-district-gender-policy-west-chester-area-school-district-wcasd-philadelphia

          https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jun/8/parents-teachers-sue-virginia-school-district-over/

          Hell, one of the largest Teachers Ynions is handing out kits on how to hide students gender identity… https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/teacher-union-promotes-hiding-students-gender-preferences-from-parents

          But beyond all that, @Axtremus , if it wasn’t happening, then why are so many democrats deadest against codifying it?

          The Brad

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            Seems like a good bill generally but the library part makes me a little nervous.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              @Axtremus said in Parental Rights are Literal Fascism!:

              Which school districts need this sort of law?

              Not that I have looked into the education systems of many districts, but of the few I looked into, public school K-12 teachers have no problem publishing their curriculums. Parents have no problem seeing the curriculums, often times the parents also see the homework assignments as many of the teachers post homework assignments online.

              In Loudoun County, you are currently required to go through a vetting process and sign an NDA to be allowed to view the curriculum. https://www.loudountimes.com/news/education/new-lcps-policy-on-controversial-curriculum-approved/article_67774a0a-65f0-11ed-8b60-e30ebac7308e.html

              Here’s a school in PA https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pa-school-hides-racial-equity-training-curriculum

              Missouri -https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/rockwood-school-board-curriculum-controversy/63-82f4c7a8-3cfc-4930-8f09-f5002c422064

              There are countless others. As for the whole hiding Gender Identity-

              https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/we-are-not-co-parenting-with-the-government-pa-parents-question-district-gender-policy-west-chester-area-school-district-wcasd-philadelphia

              https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jun/8/parents-teachers-sue-virginia-school-district-over/

              Hell, one of the largest Teachers Ynions is handing out kits on how to hide students gender identity… https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/teacher-union-promotes-hiding-students-gender-preferences-from-parents

              But beyond all that, @Axtremus , if it wasn’t happening, then why are so many democrats deadest against codifying it?

              AxtremusA Away
              AxtremusA Away
              Axtremus
              wrote on last edited by
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              @LuFins-Dad said in Parental Rights are Literal Fascism!:

              In Loudoun County, you are currently required to go through a vetting process and sign an NDA to be allowed to view the curriculum. https://www.loudountimes.com/news/education/new-lcps-policy-on-controversial-curriculum-approved/article_67774a0a-65f0-11ed-8b60-e30ebac7308e.html

              Is that the right link you intended to cite? I searched over that article and couldn’t find any mention of NDA. :man-shrugging:

              Here’s a school in PA https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pa-school-hides-racial-equity-training-curriculum

              This one mentions NDA. I generally do not support hiding public schools’ student-facing curricula, behind NDA or otherwise.

              Missouri -https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/rockwood-school-board-curriculum-controversy/63-82f4c7a8-3cfc-4930-8f09-f5002c422064

              This one mentions hiding certain curriculum elements from the parents. I generally do not support hiding public schools’ student-facing curricula.

              … As for the whole hiding Gender Identity-

              https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/we-are-not-co-parenting-with-the-government-pa-parents-question-district-gender-policy-west-chester-area-school-district-wcasd-philadelphia

              https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jun/8/parents-teachers-sue-virginia-school-district-over/

              Hell, one of the largest Teachers Ynions is handing out kits on how to hide students gender identity… https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/teacher-union-promotes-hiding-students-gender-preferences-from-parents

              These have nothing to do with curricula.

              But beyond all that, @Axtremus , if it wasn’t happening, then why are so many democrats deadest against codifying it?

              If local governments want to codify publishing of all public school’s student-facing curricula, generally I would say go for it. For proposals that target only disclosure of curricula concerning sexual education social justice topics or “potentially controversial topics,” I would say stop the targeting (it would create more controversies and more accusations of whether certain curriculum elements are labeled correctly as “sexual” or “social justice” or “potentially controversial”) — just generally require disclosure of ALL public school’s student-facing curricula and be done with it.

              …

              Reading some of the articles you linked to about “hiding” the student’s gender identity, it makes me wonder what those complaining parents have been doing. One article says something about parents do not want the school to “co-parent” their children, yet they want the school to turn around and inform them if their kids have chosen a different gender identity? If a parent gets to a point where his/her kid deliberately makes a life-changing decision without feeling the need (or even feeling the resistance) of sharing it with the parent, you’d think the parent should be reflecting on how his/her parenting has gone wrong all those years leading up to that point rather than deputizing or legally obligating the schools or other agents of the state to snitch on the kid.

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                @LuFins-Dad said in Parental Rights are Literal Fascism!:

                In Loudoun County, you are currently required to go through a vetting process and sign an NDA to be allowed to view the curriculum. https://www.loudountimes.com/news/education/new-lcps-policy-on-controversial-curriculum-approved/article_67774a0a-65f0-11ed-8b60-e30ebac7308e.html

                Is that the right link you intended to cite? I searched over that article and couldn’t find any mention of NDA. :man-shrugging:

                Here’s a school in PA https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pa-school-hides-racial-equity-training-curriculum

                This one mentions NDA. I generally do not support hiding public schools’ student-facing curricula, behind NDA or otherwise.

                Missouri -https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/rockwood-school-board-curriculum-controversy/63-82f4c7a8-3cfc-4930-8f09-f5002c422064

                This one mentions hiding certain curriculum elements from the parents. I generally do not support hiding public schools’ student-facing curricula.

                … As for the whole hiding Gender Identity-

                https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/we-are-not-co-parenting-with-the-government-pa-parents-question-district-gender-policy-west-chester-area-school-district-wcasd-philadelphia

                https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jun/8/parents-teachers-sue-virginia-school-district-over/

                Hell, one of the largest Teachers Ynions is handing out kits on how to hide students gender identity… https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/teacher-union-promotes-hiding-students-gender-preferences-from-parents

                These have nothing to do with curricula.

                But beyond all that, @Axtremus , if it wasn’t happening, then why are so many democrats deadest against codifying it?

                If local governments want to codify publishing of all public school’s student-facing curricula, generally I would say go for it. For proposals that target only disclosure of curricula concerning sexual education social justice topics or “potentially controversial topics,” I would say stop the targeting (it would create more controversies and more accusations of whether certain curriculum elements are labeled correctly as “sexual” or “social justice” or “potentially controversial”) — just generally require disclosure of ALL public school’s student-facing curricula and be done with it.

                …

                Reading some of the articles you linked to about “hiding” the student’s gender identity, it makes me wonder what those complaining parents have been doing. One article says something about parents do not want the school to “co-parent” their children, yet they want the school to turn around and inform them if their kids have chosen a different gender identity? If a parent gets to a point where his/her kid deliberately makes a life-changing decision without feeling the need (or even feeling the resistance) of sharing it with the parent, you’d think the parent should be reflecting on how his/her parenting has gone wrong all those years leading up to that point rather than deputizing or legally obligating the schools or other agents of the state to snitch on the kid.

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                jon-nyc
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                #7

                @Axtremus

                Schools view affirmation of “transgender children” as little more than an act of kindness, but it’s really an intervention in a kid’s psychosocial development with potential for iatrogenic harm (i.e., harm caused by the treatment itself).

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  So the House passed a Parental Rights in Education Bill. As far as I can tell, there was no double speak, no hidden agendas, and nothing that can be misconstrued. In the bill, schools are required to disclose:

                  1. Curriculum Lists
                  2. Reading Lists
                  3. Library Inventory

                  And they would be required to receive parental consent in changing a child’s gender status.

                  This is transparency. This is simple and basic requirements and I am astounded that it needs to even be codified into law.

                  Here’s the response:

                  89th8 Online
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                  89th
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #8

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Parental Rights are Literal Fascism!:

                  So the House passed a Parental Rights in Education Bill. As far as I can tell, there was no double speak, no hidden agendas, and nothing that can be misconstrued. In the bill, schools are required to disclose:

                  1. Curriculum Lists
                  2. Reading Lists
                  3. Library Inventory

                  And they would be required to receive parental consent in changing a child’s gender status.

                  This is transparency. This is simple and basic requirements and I am astounded that it needs to even be codified into law.

                  Here’s the response:

                  Great post. Totally agree. Although I do share @jon-nyc ’s hesitation on the library part. Not from a transparency perspective (any parent can view the library any time) but from making titles so easy to pick and choose and have endless debates at school board meetings.

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                  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    #9

                    Although maybe not perfect, it does not seem to be a bad law.

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