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  • 8 89th
    31 Mar 2023, 14:26

    Can anyone give me an objective (!) TLDR version of why Trump is being arrested?

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    Catseye3
    wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 14:32 last edited by
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    @89th said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

    Can anyone give me an objective (!) TLDR version of why Trump is being arrested?

    From Forbes: "Bragg’s investigation centered around a $130,000 alleged hush money payment former Trump fixer Michael Cohen paid porn star Stormy Daniels in the final days of the 2016 presidential campaign to keep her from publicly discussing an affair she claimed to have had with Trump years earlier—which he has denied. Legal experts say prosecutors might argue reimbursement payments to Cohen for so-called legal services were a misdemeanor violation of falsifying business expenses, but they speculate Trump could also be charged with a felony under a largely untested legal theory identifying the payment to Daniels as an illegal campaign donation.

    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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    • C Catseye3
      31 Mar 2023, 14:32

      @89th said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

      Can anyone give me an objective (!) TLDR version of why Trump is being arrested?

      From Forbes: "Bragg’s investigation centered around a $130,000 alleged hush money payment former Trump fixer Michael Cohen paid porn star Stormy Daniels in the final days of the 2016 presidential campaign to keep her from publicly discussing an affair she claimed to have had with Trump years earlier—which he has denied. Legal experts say prosecutors might argue reimbursement payments to Cohen for so-called legal services were a misdemeanor violation of falsifying business expenses, but they speculate Trump could also be charged with a felony under a largely untested legal theory identifying the payment to Daniels as an illegal campaign donation.

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      George K
      wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 14:36 last edited by
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      @Catseye3 said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

      Trump could also be charged with a felony under a largely untested legal theory identifying the payment to Daniels as an illegal campaign donation

      That theory died with John Edwards love-child adventure.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • C Catseye3
        31 Mar 2023, 14:26

        I stopped tracking Trump's crimes shenanigans some years ago. I'd seen enough to justify my prediction during his campaign -- that I posted right here, in fact -- that if he gets elected, he will either be forced to resign or be arrested for something. At this point, events have proceeded far enough along that my prediction is justified.

        It's good to be right. 🙂

        I've been briefly tempted to climb back aboard and follow all this Bragg snarl, but have managed to resist.

        In any situation, there exists a set of facts. They may not be readily apparent, but they're there somewhere. In this age of Internet and social, the obfuscation on Trump is at its uttermost. It is no longer possible to discover the facts, no. The best you can do is join the realm of the Right Clusterfuck or the Left Clusterfuck, and pretend to know the real truth -- or you can own the truth that the facts are buried too deep in a Mariana Trench of confusion, half-assery and short-temperedness to be of any use, but that give you bellowing rights on the barstool.

        This is especially tempting a course if you don't actually give a fuck about the country but only about the party, and if you ever were of the belief that your party was the best for the country, that tail has long since outgrown the dog.

        Oh, and about Trump? Dig it: It doesn't matter what happens with the Bragg thing. If things don't proceed organically, Trump will find a way to embroil himself in another one of his many transgressions -- oops, I mean dastardly false accusations.

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        mark
        wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 14:43 last edited by
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        @Catseye3 said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

        In any situation, there exists a set of facts. They may not be readily apparent, but they're there somewhere. In this age of Internet and social, the obfuscation on Trump is at its uttermost. It is no longer possible to discover the facts, no. The best you can do is join the realm of the Right Clusterfuck or the Left Clusterfuck, and pretend to know the real truth

        Belonging to neither of the clusterfucks, I will wait for the system to render the verdict. Let the chips fall where they may. If anyone broke the law, they should be held responsible. Period. Just like you or I would be held responsible. We should not break the system for a clusterfuck of any kind.

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          31 Mar 2023, 14:43

          @Catseye3 said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

          In any situation, there exists a set of facts. They may not be readily apparent, but they're there somewhere. In this age of Internet and social, the obfuscation on Trump is at its uttermost. It is no longer possible to discover the facts, no. The best you can do is join the realm of the Right Clusterfuck or the Left Clusterfuck, and pretend to know the real truth

          Belonging to neither of the clusterfucks, I will wait for the system to render the verdict. Let the chips fall where they may. If anyone broke the law, they should be held responsible. Period. Just like you or I would be held responsible. We should not break the system for a clusterfuck of any kind.

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          Catseye3
          wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 14:47 last edited by
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          @mark said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

          We should not break the system for a clusterfuck of any kind.

          Agreed, but I was referring to right or left belief, not what is the truth.

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          • C Catseye3
            31 Mar 2023, 14:47

            @mark said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

            We should not break the system for a clusterfuck of any kind.

            Agreed, but I was referring to right or left belief, not what is the truth.

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            mark
            wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 14:49 last edited by
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            @Catseye3 said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

            @mark said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

            We should not break the system for a clusterfuck of any kind.

            Agreed, but I was referring to right or left belief, not what is the truth.

            Yes. I feel the same. Belief does not make something true. So much tribalism. It needs to go away.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 14:50 last edited by
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              While politicians shouldn’t be above the law, they shouldn’t be special targets either. And let’s face it, Donald Smith would never be charged for this. I mean this particular fact set and timelines, etc.

              Now GA is a different story. For that he should be arrested, perp-walked, tried, convicted, and caged.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • J jon-nyc
                31 Mar 2023, 14:50

                While politicians shouldn’t be above the law, they shouldn’t be special targets either. And let’s face it, Donald Smith would never be charged for this. I mean this particular fact set and timelines, etc.

                Now GA is a different story. For that he should be arrested, perp-walked, tried, convicted, and caged.

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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 15:18 last edited by
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                @jon-nyc said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                While politicians shouldn’t be above the law, they shouldn’t be special targets either. And let’s face it, Donald Smith would never be charged for this. I mean this particular fact set and timelines, etc.

                Now GA is a different story. For that he should be arrested, perp-walked, tried, convicted, and caged.

                I would agree that Georgia is a much more serious case, and if in a court of law he is found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt then he should pay the appropriate penalty.

                I don’t like Donald Trump. I think he’s a buffoon, a narcissist, and can be an embarrassment. He’s a liar and a cheat. And he was a surprisingly good President. He failed at the critical moment, IMO, but no moreso and maybe less than Hilary or Uncle Joe would have. But the constant attacks and the NY crap? No, that needs to be squashed and squashed hard.

                The Brad

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                • J jon-nyc
                  31 Mar 2023, 14:50

                  While politicians shouldn’t be above the law, they shouldn’t be special targets either. And let’s face it, Donald Smith would never be charged for this. I mean this particular fact set and timelines, etc.

                  Now GA is a different story. For that he should be arrested, perp-walked, tried, convicted, and caged.

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                  mark
                  wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 15:49 last edited by mark
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                  @jon-nyc said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                  While politicians shouldn’t be above the law, they shouldn’t be special targets either. And let’s face it, Donald Smith would never be charged for this. I mean this particular fact set and timelines, etc.

                  Now GA is a different story. For that he should be arrested, perp-walked, tried, convicted, and caged.

                  I disagree. I think those that "serve" the public should be "special targets" in a sense, that the public has placed their trust in these people vs. a private citizen. As such, they should not be able to walk a tightrope where the law is concerned. They should be subjected to stiffer punishments for breaching the public trust.

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                  • C Catseye3
                    31 Mar 2023, 14:47

                    @mark said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                    We should not break the system for a clusterfuck of any kind.

                    Agreed, but I was referring to right or left belief, not what is the truth.

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 17:47 last edited by
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                    @Catseye3 said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                    @mark said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                    We should not break the system for a clusterfuck of any kind.

                    Agreed, but I was referring to right or left belief, not what is the truth.

                    Nah, you don't care about the country.

                    See Jon's post. And Jon loathes Trump.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • M mark
                      31 Mar 2023, 15:49

                      @jon-nyc said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                      While politicians shouldn’t be above the law, they shouldn’t be special targets either. And let’s face it, Donald Smith would never be charged for this. I mean this particular fact set and timelines, etc.

                      Now GA is a different story. For that he should be arrested, perp-walked, tried, convicted, and caged.

                      I disagree. I think those that "serve" the public should be "special targets" in a sense, that the public has placed their trust in these people vs. a private citizen. As such, they should not be able to walk a tightrope where the law is concerned. They should be subjected to stiffer punishments for breaching the public trust.

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 17:49 last edited by
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                      @mark said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                      @jon-nyc said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                      While politicians shouldn’t be above the law, they shouldn’t be special targets either. And let’s face it, Donald Smith would never be charged for this. I mean this particular fact set and timelines, etc.

                      Now GA is a different story. For that he should be arrested, perp-walked, tried, convicted, and caged.

                      I disagree. I think those that "serve" the public should be "special targets" in a sense, that the public has placed their trust in these people vs. a private citizen. As such, they should not be able to walk a tightrope where the law is concerned. They should be subjected to stiffer punishments for breaching the public trust.

                      Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

                      I suspect if the Justice Department decided to commit the resourcs to you, they have committed to Trump, you would be charged.

                      And you might even win. After the Feds bankrupted you and all of your family.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        Catseye3
                        wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 18:58 last edited by
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                        89th, here's more detail in answer to your earlier question: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-arrested-news-updates-indictment-counts-new-york-rcna77595

                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                          89th
                          wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 20:19 last edited by
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                          Thanks, he'll probably be found guilty but have a light, if not suspended, sentence of like 60 days in jail.

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                          • 8 89th
                            31 Mar 2023, 20:19

                            Thanks, he'll probably be found guilty but have a light, if not suspended, sentence of like 60 days in jail.

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                            Catseye3
                            wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 20:23 last edited by
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                            @89th

                            You think he'll see jail?

                            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                            • C Catseye3
                              31 Mar 2023, 20:23

                              @89th

                              You think he'll see jail?

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                              Copper
                              wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 20:29 last edited by
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                              @Catseye3 said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                              You think he'll see jail?

                              What jail would want him?

                              The secret service would drive the jailers crazy.

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                              • 8 89th
                                31 Mar 2023, 20:19

                                Thanks, he'll probably be found guilty but have a light, if not suspended, sentence of like 60 days in jail.

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                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 20:37 last edited by
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                                @89th said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                                Thanks, he'll probably be found guilty but have a light, if not suspended, sentence of like 60 days in jail.

                                Not a chance. The misdemeanor is past the statute of limitations. The felony count can only be used if the records manipulation was used in the commission of another crime. As campaign finance violations are a Federal matter and cannot be prosecuted by the states, they can not prosecute on this. It goes nowhere. My guess? This will be eventually thrown out, but it will be dragged out and postponed and such for over 12-14 months. Just to tie up Trump resources while facing the other potential indictments.

                                The Brad

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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 21:01 last edited by
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                                  It’ll be the best jail. Everybody says so.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    xenon
                                    wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 21:13 last edited by
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                                    Our best hope of not getting more Trump is to keep him boring. This isn’t helping.

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                                      31 Mar 2023, 21:13

                                      Our best hope of not getting more Trump is to keep him boring. This isn’t helping.

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                                      LuFins Dad
                                      wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 21:17 last edited by
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                                      @xenon said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                                      Our best hope of not getting more Trump is to keep him boring. This isn’t helping.

                                      Like

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                                      Agreed

                                      and more…

                                      The Brad

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                                        Catseye3
                                        wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 21:36 last edited by
                                        #177

                                        Picture it. Trump is elected. The Secretary of State sends the following letter to the President of France: "We regret to inform you that we are unable to attend Monsieur le President's birthday party. The terms of Mr. Trump's parole forbid him from traveling beyond the borders of the United States. Have a good time at the party. Respectfully, Etc."

                                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 31 Mar 2023, 23:18 last edited by
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                                          Covfefe - riffic!

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                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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