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    Aqua Letifer
    wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 17:39 last edited by
    #5

    Vinyl is just better in nearly every way. Except maybe the sound.

    1. Vinyl requires you to get out of your house and go to a record store. Invariably once you're there, you're going to spend time with and around other music nerds. You're going to see what they're looking at and vice versa. Holy shit you might even talk to someone. Total time spent with others not in your family has been going down in recent years, inversely to depression, loneliness, and isolation. So at the risk of defending common sense, yeah, getting your ass off the couch and into a record store is better for you than choosing a Spotify playlist.
    2. It's physical. Tactile processing is important to mental health, too. It's just simply more damn fun fingering through a box of records than scrolling through songs on your phone.
    3. Vinyl means peak album art. It looks awesome and the ink has a smell to it. Looking through a record is a much more satisfying experience than tapping on a song.
    4. You can't scroll through TikTok on your turntable. Vinyl pretty much forces you to be more deliberate about what you're listening to.
    5. Buying vinyl makes you an active participant in the music ecosystem. You're supporting the bands you like far more directly than you ever can hearting their bullshit on the socials.

    I really don't give a fig about the sound quality argument, vinyl's shitloads better anyway.

    Please love yourself.

    H 8 2 Replies Last reply 15 Mar 2023, 17:44
    • A Aqua Letifer
      15 Mar 2023, 17:39

      Vinyl is just better in nearly every way. Except maybe the sound.

      1. Vinyl requires you to get out of your house and go to a record store. Invariably once you're there, you're going to spend time with and around other music nerds. You're going to see what they're looking at and vice versa. Holy shit you might even talk to someone. Total time spent with others not in your family has been going down in recent years, inversely to depression, loneliness, and isolation. So at the risk of defending common sense, yeah, getting your ass off the couch and into a record store is better for you than choosing a Spotify playlist.
      2. It's physical. Tactile processing is important to mental health, too. It's just simply more damn fun fingering through a box of records than scrolling through songs on your phone.
      3. Vinyl means peak album art. It looks awesome and the ink has a smell to it. Looking through a record is a much more satisfying experience than tapping on a song.
      4. You can't scroll through TikTok on your turntable. Vinyl pretty much forces you to be more deliberate about what you're listening to.
      5. Buying vinyl makes you an active participant in the music ecosystem. You're supporting the bands you like far more directly than you ever can hearting their bullshit on the socials.

      I really don't give a fig about the sound quality argument, vinyl's shitloads better anyway.

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      Horace
      wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 17:44 last edited by
      #6

      @Aqua-Letifer said in Vinyl:

      Vinyl is just better in nearly every way. Except maybe the sound.

      1. Vinyl requires you to get out of your house and go to a record store. Invariably once you're there, you're going to spend time with and around other music nerds. You're going to see what they're looking at and vice versa. Holy shit you might even talk to someone. Total time spent with others not in your family has been going down in recent years, inversely to depression, loneliness, and isolation. So at the risk of defending common sense, yeah, getting your ass off the couch and into a record store is better for you than choosing a Spotify playlist.
      2. It's physical. Tactile processing is important to mental health, too. It's just simply more damn fun fingering through a box of records than scrolling through songs on your phone.
      3. Vinyl means peak album art. It looks awesome and the ink has a smell to it. Looking through a record is a much more satisfying experience than tapping on a song.
      4. You can't scroll through TikTok on your turntable. Vinyl pretty much forces you to be more deliberate about what you're listening to.
      5. Buying vinyl makes you an active participant in the music ecosystem. You're supporting the bands you like far more directly than you ever can hearting their bullshit on the socials.

      I really don't give a fig about the sound quality argument, vinyl's shitloads better anyway.

      Looks like a good argument for buying vinyl, but using a digital version for listening purposes.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • H Horace
        15 Mar 2023, 17:44

        @Aqua-Letifer said in Vinyl:

        Vinyl is just better in nearly every way. Except maybe the sound.

        1. Vinyl requires you to get out of your house and go to a record store. Invariably once you're there, you're going to spend time with and around other music nerds. You're going to see what they're looking at and vice versa. Holy shit you might even talk to someone. Total time spent with others not in your family has been going down in recent years, inversely to depression, loneliness, and isolation. So at the risk of defending common sense, yeah, getting your ass off the couch and into a record store is better for you than choosing a Spotify playlist.
        2. It's physical. Tactile processing is important to mental health, too. It's just simply more damn fun fingering through a box of records than scrolling through songs on your phone.
        3. Vinyl means peak album art. It looks awesome and the ink has a smell to it. Looking through a record is a much more satisfying experience than tapping on a song.
        4. You can't scroll through TikTok on your turntable. Vinyl pretty much forces you to be more deliberate about what you're listening to.
        5. Buying vinyl makes you an active participant in the music ecosystem. You're supporting the bands you like far more directly than you ever can hearting their bullshit on the socials.

        I really don't give a fig about the sound quality argument, vinyl's shitloads better anyway.

        Looks like a good argument for buying vinyl, but using a digital version for listening purposes.

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        Aqua Letifer
        wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 17:48 last edited by
        #7

        @Horace said in Vinyl:

        Looks like a good argument for buying vinyl, but using a digital version for listening purposes.

        Maybe, but I think using analog stuff in general is better for you; I do think the hipsters were on to something. We're supposed to move around in physical space and empirically interact with reality. Phones are convenient and make us more productive, but they're also kinda bad for us.

        Please love yourself.

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          mark
          wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 21:32 last edited by
          #8

          Given the choice, and also given that the album is in excellent playing condition, I vastly prefer the sound of vinyl records over digital.

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          • A Aqua Letifer
            15 Mar 2023, 17:39

            Vinyl is just better in nearly every way. Except maybe the sound.

            1. Vinyl requires you to get out of your house and go to a record store. Invariably once you're there, you're going to spend time with and around other music nerds. You're going to see what they're looking at and vice versa. Holy shit you might even talk to someone. Total time spent with others not in your family has been going down in recent years, inversely to depression, loneliness, and isolation. So at the risk of defending common sense, yeah, getting your ass off the couch and into a record store is better for you than choosing a Spotify playlist.
            2. It's physical. Tactile processing is important to mental health, too. It's just simply more damn fun fingering through a box of records than scrolling through songs on your phone.
            3. Vinyl means peak album art. It looks awesome and the ink has a smell to it. Looking through a record is a much more satisfying experience than tapping on a song.
            4. You can't scroll through TikTok on your turntable. Vinyl pretty much forces you to be more deliberate about what you're listening to.
            5. Buying vinyl makes you an active participant in the music ecosystem. You're supporting the bands you like far more directly than you ever can hearting their bullshit on the socials.

            I really don't give a fig about the sound quality argument, vinyl's shitloads better anyway.

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            89th
            wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 21:42 last edited by
            #9

            @Aqua-Letifer said in Vinyl:

            …Holy shit you might even talk to someone. Total time spent with others not in your family has been going down in recent years, inversely to depression, loneliness, and isolation. So at the risk of defending common sense, yeah, getting your ass off the couch and into a record store is better for you than choosing a Spotify playlist.

            Great overall post, especially this part. I’m not sure if it has always been this way..: but it seems lately out in public it is increasingly awkward to talk with random people. Such as at the airport. Eye contact? GMAFB

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            • 8 89th
              15 Mar 2023, 21:42

              @Aqua-Letifer said in Vinyl:

              …Holy shit you might even talk to someone. Total time spent with others not in your family has been going down in recent years, inversely to depression, loneliness, and isolation. So at the risk of defending common sense, yeah, getting your ass off the couch and into a record store is better for you than choosing a Spotify playlist.

              Great overall post, especially this part. I’m not sure if it has always been this way..: but it seems lately out in public it is increasingly awkward to talk with random people. Such as at the airport. Eye contact? GMAFB

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              Horace
              wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 21:56 last edited by
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              @89th said in Vinyl:

              @Aqua-Letifer said in Vinyl:

              …Holy shit you might even talk to someone. Total time spent with others not in your family has been going down in recent years, inversely to depression, loneliness, and isolation. So at the risk of defending common sense, yeah, getting your ass off the couch and into a record store is better for you than choosing a Spotify playlist.

              Great overall post, especially this part. I’m not sure if it has always been this way..: but it seems lately out in public it is increasingly awkward to talk with random people. Such as at the airport. Eye contact? GMAFB

              It's been that way forever in prison.

              Education is extremely important.

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                mark
                wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 22:54 last edited by
                #11

                Even with the very rare, tick or pop, listening to my original pressing of Miles Davis, Kind of Blue from 1959, brings a certain pleasure you just cannot get from even a recent and more pristine copy. I have three vinyl versions including a 90s remix that I gave to my daughter, and the Mobile Fidelity Labs 45rpm Original Master Recording. I also have it on CD of course.

                Knowing that the record on the turntable is 64 years old and sounds that good, is something else.

                Some of the Deutsche Grammophon pressings of classical music I have sound so good, and they are from the 1960s and 70s. They are absolute bargains on the used market. Brand new still shrink wrapped box sets of 9+ albums only cost $10-$20. If they are not brand new they usually have very little if any play time on them.

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                  Copper
                  wrote on 3 Aug 2023, 00:50 last edited by
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                  • M mark
                    15 Mar 2023, 14:12

                    I have a vinyl LP enroute from Great Britain as I type this.

                    Selling my current turntables to upgrade to a new one that's made in Delavan, WI, about 20 minutes from here.

                    In listen to at least 1 album every day. I just sit there and listen. No phone or anything. Just listen.

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                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 16:03 last edited by
                    #13

                    @mark said in Vinyl:

                    Selling my current turntables to upgrade to a new one that's made in Delavan, WI, about 20 minutes from here.

                    Here's another one you could get.

                    The entire turntable has been machined from a single block of aluminium and includes only two output jacks on the side of the enclosure; power comes from a USB Type-C 5 V connector and the internal phono pre-amp is connected to a 3.5mm output (which can be used as a headphone jack or 3.5mm to RCA output).

                    If you’re still looking for the tonearm and cartridge — give it up.

                    There is no tonearm to adjust, no complex settings—just place the vinyl upside down, press Play, and the 0.4 x 0.7 mil elliptical diamond stylus does the rest. Waiting for Ideas does not specify if the PP-1 utilizes a MM or MC cartridge, but it’s mounted upside down to read the grooves.

                    The other rather interesting feature is the self-learning closed-loop speed control, that figures out if you are playing a 33.3 or 45 rpm record.

                    Only USD$6000

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 18:53 last edited by
                      #14

                      I wouldn’t pay more than $5,800 for that.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 18:59 last edited by
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                        Anybody who really valued their vinyl collection would surely invest in a laser-turntable, which reads the disk without contacting it.

                        And for $11,0000, you get CD quality transfer of data, at only 30 times the price of a decent CD player!

                        https://www.high-endaudio.com/RC-ELP.html

                        I was only joking

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 24 Mar 2025, 17:07 last edited by jon-nyc
                          #16

                          This is fascinating. Hit the arrow to start the animation.

                          https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1458501/

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            89th
                            wrote on 24 Mar 2025, 19:18 last edited by
                            #17

                            Ringtones had their brief moment in the sun, lol.

                            taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply 25 Mar 2025, 00:13
                            • 8 89th
                              24 Mar 2025, 19:18

                              Ringtones had their brief moment in the sun, lol.

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                              taiwan_girl
                              wrote on 25 Mar 2025, 00:13 last edited by
                              #18

                              @89th said in Vinyl:

                              Ringtones had their brief moment in the sun, lol.

                              that's right. 555. Kind of forgot that I dont hear those very much at all anymore.

                              RenaudaR 1 Reply Last reply 25 Mar 2025, 00:28
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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 25 Mar 2025, 00:24 last edited by jon-nyc
                                #19

                                The Venn diagram of people young enough to bother setting up a ring tone and people old enough to use their phones for calls don’t overlap.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl
                                  25 Mar 2025, 00:13

                                  @89th said in Vinyl:

                                  Ringtones had their brief moment in the sun, lol.

                                  that's right. 555. Kind of forgot that I dont hear those very much at all anymore.

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on 25 Mar 2025, 00:28 last edited by Renauda
                                  #20

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Vinyl:

                                  @89th said in Vinyl:

                                  Ringtones had their brief moment in the sun, lol.

                                  that's right. 555. Kind of forgot that I dont hear those very much at all anymore.

                                  I have a ringtone of the pocket watch chimes from the spaghetti western For a Few Dollars More. Have used it going on 18 years. Very few people recognise what it is or the story behind it.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    taiwan_girl
                                    wrote on 25 Mar 2025, 00:39 last edited by
                                    #21

                                    Link to video

                                    Very cool. May just have to do that also!

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